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For those of you in San Diego, or who might decide to be, Orcinus will be there this weekend.

"Friday evening at 7 p.m. I'll be giving a talk to Peace Works! in Temecula Valley, addressing the subject of hate groups and hate crimes and the recent problems in the area, especially the growth of white-supremacist activity among young people in the area."

and

"-- Sunday at noon on Los Angeles' Pacifica station, KPFK-FM, [He]'ll be on for an hour-long interview with Ian Masters. Click here for the live feed."


Pandagon offers the following

"The teacher told of an exercise wherein he read from both the Bush and Kerry websites. He read where each of the candidates stood on the main issues of the campaign. He didn’t say who was who…just “this is what candidate one says, this is what candidate two says”.
The kids made tally marks about each thing they agreed with from each candidate.

Then the kids voted on the issues.

Four kids voted for Bush. 26 kids voted for Kerry.

You have to realize the significance of this. We live in Eden Prairie, MN. George W Bush came to our high school and lauded it as a model for all school systems everywhere…presumably due to the fact that it is in a tremendously affluent and conservative suburb, and continues to pump out high-quality graduates despite being severely under-funded.
...
At any rate, Eden Prairie has grown a crop of Bush/Cheney yard signs that rivals the corn crops of neighboring rural towns. This is Bush country, make no mistake about it…

…as illustrated by the fact that most of the kids who voted for John Kerry were greatly upset by it. They booed the results of their vote. They were upset that they had voted for the “wrong guy”.

Glancing around the classroom at the faces of the other parents, I could see that many of them were disturbed as well. What could have gone wrong? How had they failed their children?"


Which points out what I've seen elsewhere, people are for the things liberals want, but they vote for republicans, because they are convinced the republicans are on their side... even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

And finally, for this round, Irony from The Slacktivist




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Date: 2004-09-24 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kibbles.livejournal.com
There just isnt enough about the issues out there -- today, if I have two seconds to myself, I am going to summarize an article in a magazine about where the two stand on issues that the working class should care about.

I figure I could scream about terrorism or who was in Vietnam or whatever, but that's getting old. Gotta post about who voted or pushed through what legislation. The source I am using refers to primary sources too -- so I can use that.

Enough of the BS already, people have to decide what is really important and who is going to give it to them.

Date: 2004-09-24 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antiquated-tory.livejournal.com
Excellent links, TK! Wish we had the teacher's list of questions, though.

Date: 2004-09-24 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hammercock.livejournal.com
Which points out what I've seen elsewhere, people are for the things liberals want, but they vote for republicans, because they are convinced the republicans are on their side... even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

*nodnodnod* I wish I knew what the fuck was up with that. It tends to make me think that the Republican party is just that good at lying, that many people out there in the US are just that dumb, or some combination of both. Either way, it's pretty depressing to think about.

Date: 2004-09-24 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fritz-freiheit.livejournal.com
I have heard the following:

When people are questioned about the quality of their congressional representatives (i.e. are they honest? do they accomplish things for you? etc.) that about 80% of them answer "yes", that their representative is honest, etc.

When asked if congressional representatives are honest, etc. in general, about 80% answer "no".

It would seem that their is a disconnect here, and that this disconnect also comes out in the "I vote Republican, they are on our side" assessment.

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