1BCT/3ID

Sep. 26th, 2008 12:23 pm
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For those who don't speak army, that's the way one says, 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry Division.

They are home from Iraq. The next two years will be guaranteed, "dwell time", which is army speak for time they won't be deployed overseas. Up until earlier this week, I'd have said, "won't be deployed," without the caveat of overseas. But we are told they are going to be assigned to Northern Command.

Lots of people are up in arms about this, and with good reason; we have a national antipathy against this, going back to before we were a nation. Among the grievances in the Declaration of Independence were these:

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States


After the Civil War we passed the Posse Comitatus Act; which was a strange piece of legislation. It's purpose was to stop the army from making sure blacks were allowed to vote. But the idea, that the Army, save in time of absolute need (as defined in The Insurrection Act), wasn't to be used inside the boundaries of the US was codified.

Now... there have been, post-Katrina, some changes to the insurrection act. The mmost notable being:

, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--

(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and

(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2);


As you may imagine Bush made a signing statement; invoking the magial powers of his unitary executive: In other words, he is assserting the right to use the army anytime he likes, which has been the case since 2005, when the following footnote was part of a memo by Jay Bybee:

We recently opined that the Posse Comitatus Act, 18 U.S.C. s. 1385 (1994), which generally prohibits the use of the Armed Forces for law enforcement purposes absent constitutional or statutory authority to do so, does not forbid the use of military force for the military purpose of preventing and deterring terrorism within the United States. See Memorandum for Alberto R. Gonzales, Counsel to the President and William J. Haynes II, General Counsel, Department of Defense, from John C. Yoo, Deputy Assistant Attorney General and Robert J. Delahunty, Special Counsel, Office of Legal Counsel, Re: Authority for the Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities within the United States at 15-20 (Oct. 23, 2001).

Given the broad powers already being claimed in the need to fight the "War on Terror" (suspension of habeas corpus, the use of torture, extraordinary rendition, warrantless wiretapping, and who knows what all other things are all being fomented under the rubric of figting terror) that's a blank check; which he wrote to himself. He's already said he's willing to break the law to "fight terror", what makes this one more special than any other? Not a damned thing).

In practical terms, 1 BCT isn't enough to establish Martial Law. Los Angeles, for example, is too large, physically, and too riddled with alternate routes of transit, to make one brigade able to really control it. San Fransico is more compact, but the Bay Area is as spread out as L.A. Much of the metropoli are the same.

It's also not unheard of for the Army to be called out in the US. Katrina is the most recent example. But those were ad hoc deployments, and humanitarian in focus. This one has a whole lot of other things. The insurrection act has a "disperse clause", which is to say, they read the Riot Act and if you don't go home, they can arrest you.

They did that in St. Paul, after they'd block all means of departing. Then they arrested everyone for not leaving. Add something like the Area Denial Weapon and things could get ugly.

Why this unit? Why now?

Those are really good questions. There are already a lot of troops with training in this stuff. It's part of the Mission Essential Task List (METL) of every Nat. Guard unit. My unit does eight hours of training it every year. Which means, in the eight years we've been doing it I've got 56 hours of time doing riot control. That's a lot.

These guys will get more, but that's not the point, because, in practical terms, to break up a riot only takes about eight hours of serious training, and the guard is better suited to it. Why? Because the guard is local. The units on this duty for the Army will be sent into a place they have been told is in serious revolt.

Look at St. Paul. The imported cops from all sorts of places. There are reports that some had shirts which read, "Got Protester?" That's a terrible attitude, and one which opens huge doors to abuse. No way to track that guy down if he does something out of line, which ties into, For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States," just swap, "harms" and it's not too far off the mark, because the, "good faith" defense will be offered up, that and, "obeying lawful orders".

It's not the numbers, it's the establishment of a dedicated command structure. It's the continutity of doctrine. I know how to do a lot of things, set up a claymore mine, mark a path in a minefield, set up a hasty fighting position, conduct tactical questioning, mark out a range card, set up a perimeter, &c., &c., &c..

I know them because I was trained. I was trained because there were established Tactics, Techniques and Procedures (TTP) to teach these things to me. This command will build them. The soldiers of the 1st BCT/3ID will learn them. The unit which replaces them will learn them, and so on. The staff will codify them. Soldiers will rotate through the positions. The whole army will, eventually, be taught that part of their job is to keep order; to keep the citizens of the US in line.

That's nasty. We have not, to date, had a culture in the Army which sees the people as, fundamentally, different from the Army/Marines/Navy/Air Force (and keeping riot control to the Nat. Guard helps keep this integration stronger). But it's possible to develop one. Thomas Risks talks about this in, Making the Corps.

Seeding the army with people who see the citizens as needing the Army to keep them from riot (even if they never have to do it) is starting to separate them. Take it far enough, let the solution get saturated, and that might crystalise in to a coup. I don't see it as being soon, but I wonder at the choice of location for this Hq. Colorado Springs is a really right-wing part of the nation, almost to the point of fetish. I worry about that coloring those who are assigned to the command. Is that overboard? Maybe.

But eight years ago I'd have told you a president who boasted of breaking the laws, who signed bills into law, while writing down they didn't apply to him, who demanded the right to torture people and disappear americans (Jose Padilla was in custody for at least six weeks before it was announced... if they'd not announced it, who would have known?) was impossible.

I was wrong about that.

One does not prepare for what an opponent will do, but what an opponent can do. And this allows the gov't to do a lot: a lot of things which are anathema to the gov't of a free people. That we might never lose freedom because of it does not make it right, much less tolerable. That it might never be used in the ways I fear does not make it any less of a threat.

We, the people, are the gov't. We don't need to be saved from ourselves, much less protected from ourselves. Assembling to petition for the redress of grievance will not always be quiet. It will not always be polite. It will certainly, at times, be embarrassing for the gov't. It will (one hopes) often be spontaneous, and without prior permission.

Having an army available to stop that... is unamerican.



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Date: 2008-09-26 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rm.livejournal.com
In practical terms, 1 BCT isn't enough to establish Martial Law. Los Angeles, for example, is too large, physically, and too riddled with alternate routes of transit, to make one brigade able to really control it. San Fransico is more compact, but the Bay Area is as spread out as L.A. Much of the metropoli are the same.

I live on an island.

God, that's a useless comment, but it's about all I've got left.

Date: 2008-09-26 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
Yes, and L.A. is one too... Cut off our water and things get dicey.

It's not that people can't be bottled up, but it's hard to restrain them in the boundaries enclosed.

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Date: 2008-09-27 12:13 am (UTC)
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i have nothing to add that hasn't already been said, but i wanted to say your username is one of great power.

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Date: 2008-09-26 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shunra.livejournal.com
I hear you.

Date: 2008-09-26 09:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] summers-place.livejournal.com
You're scaring me, you know. Feeding my paranoia. Of course, what scares me even more is the thought that I could wake up some morning and discover that it never really was paranoia at all; that they really always were out to get us. ("Us" being the general run of Americans who actually believed we had freedoms that were guaranteed by the Constitution which limited governmental powers over us, and that this guarantee would always be honored.)

Date: 2008-09-26 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
Good, because I am trying to scare you; in the same way one should be afraid of fire, and muggers and other suchlike risks. Liberty takes vigilance. Rights grabs succeed when the people who have the rights ignore them being stolen.

So being afraid the gov't wants to take your rights isn't bad, per se. The balance of power/freedoms is tricky. I tend to the freedom side of the equation, esp. as it relates to speaking my mind, protesting gov't actions.

If enough people get scared we can reclaim the ideas of gov't actually being limited; which this adminstration honors in the breach.

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Fear is a great motivator...

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Date: 2008-09-26 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martyn44.livejournal.com
Looking at this from a country where it has taken us a long, long bloody time to realise that there is no military solution to a political problem, that you have an administration that appears to think there could be one is profoundly dispiriting, and worrying. Especially when there is NO domestic conflict.

Date: 2008-09-26 10:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] urlgirl.livejournal.com
I always thought that this is the primary difference between the Army/AF/Navy/Marines and the National Guard is that the former are trained and indoctrinated in recognizing threats among populations other than their own; while, the latter are trained to help those populations and serve their interests. One is combative, the other protective. And that's why (supposedly) we have a National Guard, so that in cases where a command structure is needed inside the U.S., we don't accidentally unleash war machines among the civilians. I see how the line's been blurred for a long time between the police and military. But even so, police do still generally come from within the community, have ties to the community, and a stake in protecting it down to individual people.

This may be a naive view, I don't know. But what you describe scares me, I honestly thought Posse Comitatus, if nothing else, was sacrosanct.

Date: 2008-09-26 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
No... we don't care about threats in populations. We aren't trained to do that. We are trained to engage the enemy; where enemy is someone at war with the US.

To that end we study the capabilities of lots of places. Up to the late '30s we had plans for an invasion of Canada, in response to a war with Britain.

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Date: 2008-09-26 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bella-peligrosa.livejournal.com
I think this is such a well-reasoned explanation of what scares us about this. Thank you for always continuing to make me dig a little deeper for the core and most relevant issue.

Date: 2008-09-26 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pdlloyd.livejournal.com
I've been reading about this new deployment for a couple of days now and it has only added to my concerns that our country already has lost so many freedoms and so much will to stand up for those freedoms that I wonder what can really be done. Our just barely a majority democratic congress has proved over and over again that they're not willing to stand up to this administration. And I don't really know what to do. I've chosen to speak up on my blog, although I don't do so every day, but that feels more like a sop than a solution. I can vote, but how can I be certain with all the accusations of voter disenfranchisement that my vote, and the votes of all my fellow citizens, will count? I long for the democracy my grade school teachers taught us was America, even though I knew even then how hypocritical at least some of it was.

I am afraid of my government and ashamed of it. All of it, with the exception of a few individuals who have had the courage to stand up and speak out, even when they were ignored, as Kucinich was when he read the articles of impeachment for first Cheney, and then Bush. Congress ignored him, as did the media.

How is it that our nation can find the indignation to impeach a president for lying about fooling around with a consenting adult and then turn around and refuse to impeach a president who has lied to Congress and the American people about matters of national security, dragging us into an illegal and unethical war, arresting and holding people without habeas corpus, torturing POWs, and doing everything he can to weaken our constitutional freedoms?

Date: 2008-09-26 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuripup.livejournal.com
I was planning to write about this, but you have written about it so much more clearly and eloquently. And having the perspective of service helps.

I read [livejournal.com profile] sappersgt's blog a lot and he thinks positions like this are paranoid/extreme. I read and argue with him, because while he is deeply conservative, he has a good mine and is open do debate, rather than name calling.

Best I could come up with is the ever enlarging tool box we are creating for the authoritarian to come.

Date: 2008-09-26 11:32 pm (UTC)
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Sometimes I think it was a really bad time to get out of the Navy.

Date: 2008-09-26 11:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] wetdryvac.livejournal.com
My thanks. This is news I wouldn't have pulled together for a long time - if I pulled it together at all.

Date: 2008-09-26 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wcg.livejournal.com
Yes Terry, it is un-American. But it's happening.

What was that little thing that used to get quoted in USENET posts? That's how freedom will end: not with a bang, but with a rustle of file folders.

I guess it's up to people like you and me to make sure it doesn't happen.

Date: 2008-09-26 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flemco.livejournal.com
Thanks for the post.

Date: 2008-09-27 12:28 am (UTC)
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But my overarching question is: What can we practically do about it? Protest? -- get arrested or worse. Petition? -- if they want to bury paperwork, it's easy enough to do -- petitions get ignored every day. Write to Congress? -- congress doesn't seem particularly motivated to stand up to this president.

Yes, we have an election coming up -- my worst paranoia is about that. Other than hoping for, and working toward, a change in leadership of the country, what is there a citizen can practically do that will actually make a change? (I've worked in politics since I was growing up in DC, and between that and being in a Navy family, I know how the system works -- and I'm afraid I'm rather cynical about it.)

Date: 2008-09-27 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
May I wax polonical? If I do will you forgive me for seeming facile?

Write, bitch, talk in public places. Carry voter registration forms. When you talk about things, or hear someone talking about them, find out if those people are registered to vote.

Get people who've not yet become jaded to be cyncical involved. The best hope we have to avoid the destruction/dissolution/whimpering death of the experiment (and you should see the responses to this I've gotten from anonymous people) in democracy, is to 1: vote in Democratic candidates with an overwhelming mandate, and 2: Hold their feet to the fire.

When we hold their feet to the fire, we look for people to offer up in the mid-term elections. The death of real representation is complacence. If they are actually afraid of losing their seat to a member of the same party, they will listen to the actual desires of the people who elected them.

Date: 2008-09-27 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
I've been quietly horrified about this all week, and was wondering if you were going to say something about it.

I am glad you did- but your horror at it amplifies my own- what is on the horizon for our country when our own military is deployed for 'crowd control' in its own borders?

One thing you did not mention is that these troops will have had experience doing pretty much the same thing in Iraq. They'll have those memories, those reflexes- and although they're home, what will keep them from seeing us as 'them'- 'local nationals', or the American version of 'hajis'? Will we have a "Jericho" situation?

I highly recommend watching that short-lived show- it only ran for two seasons and is available on DVD. It postulates a near-future post-terrorist US, with the Army (and nasty government contractors) busting down on a terrified and impovrished population in the heartland. It's chilling in its prescience, and they do use the idea that the soldiers are battle-veterans.

I'm a veteran of the Cold War- in retrospect, it was probably the only 'good' war we've fought- we kept the lights on, and made the Soviets bankrupt themselves. Now, we're on the brink ourselves. It frightens me a lot.

Date: 2008-09-27 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
Yes, well it took a bit of work to tie all the strands together. All in all this was about ten hours in the making, to include about 3 hours writing, once I'd gotten done looking up all the things I wanted.

There was an awful lot left out, in keeping it down to 1,500 words.

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Date: 2008-09-27 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xavienne.livejournal.com
Eight years ago I said; "Oh shit."
I'm honestly surprised it took him this long to go this far.
I wonder, how long before we live in the world outlined in the game "Shadowrun" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun)...I wish I could find the map of North America 2050 as envisioned by the game's creators.

Date: 2008-09-27 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kensan-oni.livejournal.com
I don't know. I think we're closer to the Car Wars Timeline and outcomes then we are Shadowruns, and that is a tad more scary for me.

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Date: 2008-09-27 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qp4.livejournal.com
You really should post a correction, because Raider has been home since last spring. So has Hammer (3/3 ID). 3rd CAB and Spartan (2/3 ID) have been home for three months.

I think you mean VANGUARD, 4/3 ID. They're pretty close the year mark, but they were promised fifteen months.

And your NG METL is nothing like the METL they're putting out to us.

Date: 2008-09-27 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
Then maybe Army Times needs to correct it too.

Unless it really is the 1st BCT Col Cloutier is commanding.

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.


The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

Date: 2008-09-27 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unhappytriad.livejournal.com
I used to console myself with the idea, "Well, they can't arrest all of us", but with the new "immigration detention camps" that may no longer be true.

I guess if push comes to shove I will have to put my grey-haired middle aged short female self up front and see if beating me up turns some young soldier's stomach so much that he refuses the next time he's ordered to beat up civilians.

Date: 2008-09-28 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarus-chained.livejournal.com
Amen. And thank you!

Date: 2008-09-28 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarybaldguy.livejournal.com
Old vet here, just wandering by and saw a rare gleam of common sense. Just like to remind you of one thing: there are more veterans now than active soldiers, and the training we went through back in the day was a helluva lot tougher than the kids do now ("stress cards," LOL).

Dunno about you, but when I joined in 1987 it was for love of country and defense of same, and I don't recall being released from my oath to defend my country against all enemies, foreign and domestic when I was RIFed in 1992. AFAIC, anyone trying to enforce martial law is a de facto enemy of the US Constitution and will be dealt with accordingly.

Date: 2008-09-29 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitchness.livejournal.com
This type of issue has been bothering me for a while. Not just the misuse of the Army, but also the misuse of the National Guard. The NG by nature is not supposed to be used outside of the confines of the United States. We are supposed to be for National Defense, not for use in foreign wars. But contrary to popular belief, the posse comitatus act also applies to the NG, we are not permitted to arrest US citizens on US soil. We can detain, but not arrest or use force against US citizens. Or at least, we weren't the last time I was deployed on US soil. That all seems to be changing now.

Date: 2008-09-30 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
Last time we trained, no arrest; cops have to ride along to do that.

Detain is a tricky word (in Calif. technicaly, refusing to let someone leave is an arrest. NG gets a limited dispensation when activated: They aren't subject to unlawful arrest charges if they detain someone and the cops let them go).

Date: 2008-10-25 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iliadawry.livejournal.com
Here from Making Light and glad for the pointer to this (scary) post. I don't speak much there (feel I'm in over my head, intelligence- and eloquence-wise) but I read often.

Date: 2008-10-25 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] panacea1.livejournal.com
Another drop-in via the Making Light thread.

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