Eliot Spitzer
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pecuniumWas, as Lindsay nails it ultimately, the victim of hubris.
As someone who has made a big deal about reform, who has campaigned as a moralist, this shit is stupid, almost beyond words.
Given the enemies he's made, he was foolish to think he could keep this below the radar (and in an election year... WTF, has he no political sense?). Should he resign over it? I don't know. I'm not in NY, and don't have a feel for the actual magnitude of the offense. From the outside, given his track record as a prosecutor, and his recent efforts to increase the punishment for johns; to say nothing of simple consistency, I think he needs to resign, and face the music. Mind you, if he should stay, I don't have a real problem with that either. What I'd really like to see is some consitency on the part of all those people who were up in arms about the attempts to make a structuring charge against Limbaugh protesting the attempts to frame such a charge against Spitzer.
I'd also like to see all the people who've been defending Vitter, step up and defend Spitzer. The folks who've been ignoring Vitter, can help themselves to a steaming mug of shut-up. If they want to try and explain why Vitter's actions are somehow different (in a legal sense) from Spitzer's, well that's some sophistry I'd like to see.
But I'd really like to see how it is anyone can howl for the head of Spitzer when what he did was venal, but not really a threat to the office. His jeopardy is more from it being illegal (because of the potential for someone who wasn't looking to get him put out of office) to blackmail him for favors.
It's not as if he was violating a law written specifically to prevent him from doing something. A law like, oh, I don't know, FISA. It's not as if, when caught he said, "yes, I've been breaking the law, and I'm going to keep breaking it," as with the President and, oh, I don't know, FISA.
There are a lot of things I wonder about. Why were the feds looking at this prostitution. It's not a crime they care about much. Wiretaps are expensive. Legal ones even more so. They take warrants, personell to man, equipment, and people to go over the tapes.
It's a nice piece of luck for someone that Spitzer just happened to be using the service they were tapping.
The conspiracy minded might say it looks too convenient.
Jane Hamsher, and some of the other folks at Firedoglake, which includes a former prosecutor in the US Atty's office, have more, questions about the details. There are also some interesting speculations about the why of this, and just what purpose the charges have.
Paul Campos (of the Rocky Mountain News) want's to know if Spitzer was targetted becuase it seems the bank reported him to the IRS who reported him to the FBI. One would think Spitzer, as someone who did that sort of prosecuting would either have avoided the problem altogether, or had a better idea how to hide the trail.
The argument that the money looked suspicious, on its face, is somewhat farcial. Spitzer has a lot of money, these were large sums for most of us (I can't really imagine spending $5,000 grand on date, even if I knew I was gauranteed to get lucky at the end of the evening. I'd be buying a new camera, or car, perhaps a horse. Not a night on the town), but for him they aren't all that big a deal.
It's not as if there's not a history of such things being done in the past; some such things being done by people in the present Gov't (the Young Republicans is nothing, if not an amazing tale of sordid tricks to get access to power).
So Spitzer was stupid, but everyone who is manning the barricades and yelling for his ouster, who isn't also screaming for similar accountability for far worse crimes; crimes against the people, not just a dipping into the sordid stories of personal weakness on matters earthy, is, at best, deluded about what really matters, at worst a cynical ass; looking to consolidate power, or (most likely) just a run of the mill hypocrite who doesn't care about keeping one set of rules for friends, and another one for opponents.
As someone who has made a big deal about reform, who has campaigned as a moralist, this shit is stupid, almost beyond words.
Given the enemies he's made, he was foolish to think he could keep this below the radar (and in an election year... WTF, has he no political sense?). Should he resign over it? I don't know. I'm not in NY, and don't have a feel for the actual magnitude of the offense. From the outside, given his track record as a prosecutor, and his recent efforts to increase the punishment for johns; to say nothing of simple consistency, I think he needs to resign, and face the music. Mind you, if he should stay, I don't have a real problem with that either. What I'd really like to see is some consitency on the part of all those people who were up in arms about the attempts to make a structuring charge against Limbaugh protesting the attempts to frame such a charge against Spitzer.
I'd also like to see all the people who've been defending Vitter, step up and defend Spitzer. The folks who've been ignoring Vitter, can help themselves to a steaming mug of shut-up. If they want to try and explain why Vitter's actions are somehow different (in a legal sense) from Spitzer's, well that's some sophistry I'd like to see.
But I'd really like to see how it is anyone can howl for the head of Spitzer when what he did was venal, but not really a threat to the office. His jeopardy is more from it being illegal (because of the potential for someone who wasn't looking to get him put out of office) to blackmail him for favors.
It's not as if he was violating a law written specifically to prevent him from doing something. A law like, oh, I don't know, FISA. It's not as if, when caught he said, "yes, I've been breaking the law, and I'm going to keep breaking it," as with the President and, oh, I don't know, FISA.
There are a lot of things I wonder about. Why were the feds looking at this prostitution. It's not a crime they care about much. Wiretaps are expensive. Legal ones even more so. They take warrants, personell to man, equipment, and people to go over the tapes.
It's a nice piece of luck for someone that Spitzer just happened to be using the service they were tapping.
The conspiracy minded might say it looks too convenient.
Jane Hamsher, and some of the other folks at Firedoglake, which includes a former prosecutor in the US Atty's office, have more, questions about the details. There are also some interesting speculations about the why of this, and just what purpose the charges have.
Paul Campos (of the Rocky Mountain News) want's to know if Spitzer was targetted becuase it seems the bank reported him to the IRS who reported him to the FBI. One would think Spitzer, as someone who did that sort of prosecuting would either have avoided the problem altogether, or had a better idea how to hide the trail.
The argument that the money looked suspicious, on its face, is somewhat farcial. Spitzer has a lot of money, these were large sums for most of us (I can't really imagine spending $5,000 grand on date, even if I knew I was gauranteed to get lucky at the end of the evening. I'd be buying a new camera, or car, perhaps a horse. Not a night on the town), but for him they aren't all that big a deal.
It's not as if there's not a history of such things being done in the past; some such things being done by people in the present Gov't (the Young Republicans is nothing, if not an amazing tale of sordid tricks to get access to power).
So Spitzer was stupid, but everyone who is manning the barricades and yelling for his ouster, who isn't also screaming for similar accountability for far worse crimes; crimes against the people, not just a dipping into the sordid stories of personal weakness on matters earthy, is, at best, deluded about what really matters, at worst a cynical ass; looking to consolidate power, or (most likely) just a run of the mill hypocrite who doesn't care about keeping one set of rules for friends, and another one for opponents.
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Date: 2008-03-13 01:12 pm (UTC)