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pecuniumMr. Dye (referenced in my previous post, has a publically posted e-mail addy.
drye@northernbroadcasting.com
So any of you who want to join the inevitable onslaught from outraged liberals. (Is there any other kind?) may feel free.
For some background on the inimitble Mr. Rye, his his bio is precious (and where I got his e-mail address).
For broadcast news experience and depth of knowledge about Montana, Dave Rye is unparalleled among the state’s broadcasters. As network News Director, Dave produces seven daily newscasts covering Montana’s biggest headlines and issues, with voice actualities from the newsmakers. He also does a daily commentary on Montana's issues and people.
A consummate news professional, Dave Rye will go to any length to get both sides of a story, and his balanced presentation of the facts has been his hallmark.
So when he insulted the residents of Ismay (the town from whence came SSG Gray) he knew what he was talking about, or maybe not.
My response (in the public forum where his original comment was made, and with thanks to those here, and atsoldiergrrrl's post which helped me clarify my thoughts. It is in moderation. If it fails to appear, I'll be sending it directly).
Mr. Dye,
The level of disrespect you’ve managed to pack into four sentences is incredible.
First, you insult a dead soldier. You didn’t, it seems, have the courage to cast such aspersions (that he, and his fellows were ignorant dupes, unable to see that they would have their opinions twisted to something which was mere propaganda; and not able to actually come to such conclusions in the language used in that Op-ed).
Then, in the same sentence, you insult living soldiers, like myself.
In the past 15 years I’ve been in the Army I’ve heard words a lot more unlikely than “recalcitrant” coming from the mouths of SSGs. I’ve heard them from PV1s as well.
Not content to let it rest there, you take the knowledge of Montana (often touted as one of the most educated states in the nation) you caim your role as reporter, and now news director has given you an “unparalleled understanding,” and use it to tar the residents of an entire town as ignorant of perfectly ordinary English.
Not to be tendentious, but you sir, are being an ass. Insulting, bemeaning and arrogant; to say nothing of your subsequent attempts to make a vague appeal to authority (since I’ve probably spoken to a lot more troops about what they think/feel/believe about the war; having spent my time there, and knowing a lot more who’ve done the same.
And the variety of opinion is vast; though; in the main (from the non-random [in the statistical sense] sample I’ve been able to get) leaving is higher on the list than staying; certainly when those who are most adamant about us staying are also those who have zero intent of actually enlisting, even when they are of an age where service is possible.
As for what the troops want.
Washington - Congress should look at cutting off funding for the Iraq War if Senate efforts to change the role of U.S. troops in the battlefield fail, Sen. Ken Salazar said Monday.
Salazar, a Colorado Democrat, previously has not supported Congress using its ability to stop war payments in order to force President Bush to change direction.
While in Iraq over the weekend, Salazar said, some service men and women told him that they wanted Congress to cut off funding.
That’s from the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6919211). A small sampling, to be sure, but enough that a politician is willing to change the course he’s been advocating for years.
I guess that’s all old hat to you though, since, as your biography (http://clients.centric.net/nb/bio.asp?PageID=4&ID=15) says, Dave Rye will go to any length to get both sides of a story, and his balanced presentation of the facts has been his hallmark.
drye@northernbroadcasting.com
So any of you who want to join the inevitable onslaught from outraged liberals. (Is there any other kind?) may feel free.
For some background on the inimitble Mr. Rye, his his bio is precious (and where I got his e-mail address).
For broadcast news experience and depth of knowledge about Montana, Dave Rye is unparalleled among the state’s broadcasters. As network News Director, Dave produces seven daily newscasts covering Montana’s biggest headlines and issues, with voice actualities from the newsmakers. He also does a daily commentary on Montana's issues and people.
A consummate news professional, Dave Rye will go to any length to get both sides of a story, and his balanced presentation of the facts has been his hallmark.
So when he insulted the residents of Ismay (the town from whence came SSG Gray) he knew what he was talking about, or maybe not.
My response (in the public forum where his original comment was made, and with thanks to those here, and at
soldiergrrrl's post which helped me clarify my thoughts. It is in moderation. If it fails to appear, I'll be sending it directly).Mr. Dye,
The level of disrespect you’ve managed to pack into four sentences is incredible.
First, you insult a dead soldier. You didn’t, it seems, have the courage to cast such aspersions (that he, and his fellows were ignorant dupes, unable to see that they would have their opinions twisted to something which was mere propaganda; and not able to actually come to such conclusions in the language used in that Op-ed).
Then, in the same sentence, you insult living soldiers, like myself.
In the past 15 years I’ve been in the Army I’ve heard words a lot more unlikely than “recalcitrant” coming from the mouths of SSGs. I’ve heard them from PV1s as well.
Not content to let it rest there, you take the knowledge of Montana (often touted as one of the most educated states in the nation) you caim your role as reporter, and now news director has given you an “unparalleled understanding,” and use it to tar the residents of an entire town as ignorant of perfectly ordinary English.
Not to be tendentious, but you sir, are being an ass. Insulting, bemeaning and arrogant; to say nothing of your subsequent attempts to make a vague appeal to authority (since I’ve probably spoken to a lot more troops about what they think/feel/believe about the war; having spent my time there, and knowing a lot more who’ve done the same.
And the variety of opinion is vast; though; in the main (from the non-random [in the statistical sense] sample I’ve been able to get) leaving is higher on the list than staying; certainly when those who are most adamant about us staying are also those who have zero intent of actually enlisting, even when they are of an age where service is possible.
As for what the troops want.
Washington - Congress should look at cutting off funding for the Iraq War if Senate efforts to change the role of U.S. troops in the battlefield fail, Sen. Ken Salazar said Monday.
Salazar, a Colorado Democrat, previously has not supported Congress using its ability to stop war payments in order to force President Bush to change direction.
While in Iraq over the weekend, Salazar said, some service men and women told him that they wanted Congress to cut off funding.
That’s from the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6919211). A small sampling, to be sure, but enough that a politician is willing to change the course he’s been advocating for years.
I guess that’s all old hat to you though, since, as your biography (http://clients.centric.net/nb/bio.asp?PageID=4&ID=15) says, Dave Rye will go to any length to get both sides of a story, and his balanced presentation of the facts has been his hallmark.
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Date: 2007-09-18 05:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-18 06:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-18 06:50 pm (UTC)I think the things I write, in this vein, are better said than read. If said, the nested thoughts, and point of impact for the telling points, comes across better.
It also make the punctuation a lot easier.
:)
TK
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Date: 2007-09-18 06:53 pm (UTC)He said he was stupid.
That he (and his confederates) weren't smart enough to use words like that (even if they did believe those things) and weren't able to see the NYT was going to twist some vague displeasure into a condemnation of policy.
Which means he things they were duped, and couldn't avoid it because they weren't intelligent enough to know the NYT is against them, hates the troops, and only wanted to use them to get a bunch of soldiers names over "leftist" un-american propaganda.
The cowardice is secondary to that. That's my imputation of his failings.
TK
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Date: 2007-09-18 09:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-18 09:08 pm (UTC)His sister in law (IIRC) has chimed in, as well as the brother of one of the other soldiers.
The comments are, by and large, against him.
Which, since it was a comment, not a top-post, is interesting enough.
TK
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Date: 2007-09-18 08:54 pm (UTC)Does it make sense that a journalist would add a word such as "recalcitrant"? It makes about as much sense as adding animations of a talking paperclip to a word processing program.
OK, so maybe journalists are that stupid.
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Date: 2007-09-18 08:59 pm (UTC)And I also wrote op-eds, which are different beasts.
In those one tends to more complex sentence structure, and longer words, because one is trying to convince the reader that one is eucated, in general, and knowledgeable about the topic at hand.
I also know lots of troops. When I read it, it read fine to me.
TK