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I can say scam, but sheesh, how the hell do they expect to get people to contribute?

White Orchid

Living Legends is a pyramid, CT being the foundation of all other parts of LL. Individually, each part of LL can affect global change, but together they can create something that will change the foundation stones of our world and build a better one.

We are not concerned with half measures or discussion, we are governed by conscience not convenience and although all this sounds like catchy phrases, we will be judged by our actions.

We do not believe charities, as they are, should exist.

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions’

They go on. This is the second best part.

White Orchid is an Island project for girls rescued from the sex trade, currently concentrating in Asia. Buying Islands, building schools for rehabilitation and education. Each school will be Eco-Friendly and also be used as a reserve, in part for rescued animals. Breeding some, like the Kiwi. Reefs will be cultivated to create more breeding environments for marine life and flora; fauna will be cultivated. Staff will be PHD qualified.

Right. Export Kiwi, and other exotics to some island, and creating some "new" environment for them. What of the local ecology? Or do they plan to terraform some barren patch of coral sand?

It gets better. I like this part best.

Blood Rose is the extraction/rescue team for girls rescued from the sex trade. The Blood Rose team will use ex-military personnel to liaise, observe and rescue young captive girls.

Seems to me the observing ought to come first, then the "liaising," whatever that means. Even if they mean liase; that means they go and talk to this girls, recruit them to be "rescued" to this desert island. When/how will they do this? What if they want out, but don't want to go to this island "camp" to be rehabilitated?

After that the "rescue."

Military, so they plan what, armed kidnapping and extraction to this educational, recreational, ecological rescue (and where are the zookeepers coming from?

This is a "business"?

1: Steal underpants
2: ?
3: Profits.

Not exactly.

Just so you know what the "plan" is, these island communities are to be the training ground for Plato's Philosopher Kings.

Political Change will create global change by striving for intelligent ‘Women’ to become Heads of State. Political change is an idea from a man, Ryan who believes men have had their chance and the world has been engrossed in war, rape, murder, genocide and politics of business, not of nobility, justice and conscience. Political change will support those Ladies it feels are “Ladies” and do not turn into men, within the political system, however they desire. Currently focusing on returning power to the Elected Prime Minister of Burma, we are looking at how best to change the illegal military Junk-ta and will not stop until this happens.

Right.

To finance all of this, you can give money to the, for profit, Concientious Traveller, which is going to finance all of this. They promise.

No tax breaks, no pesky accounting requirements, nope. Give them business (or gifts) and they promise they will change the world.

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From:

firepower.livejournal.com

Political Change will create global change by striving for intelligent ‘Women’ to become Heads of State.

I think the quotes are totally essential.

From:

texaslawchick.livejournal.com

I like at the very beginning they tell you its a pyramid scheme. Lay it all out there for you and everything. :D

From:

pecunium.livejournal.com

Well, I think they didn't mean it that way. They are trying to explain the organizational structure, only they have the model reversed. If they mean what they say, CT is the base on which the rest is built.

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But yeah, they tell you right up front that what you get for your donations is, nothing.

TK

From:

bifemmefatale.livejournal.com

o.O O.o

Reading that right after reading this really makes me doubt the wisdom of having ex-mil liaisons "rescuing" nubile young prostitutes.

Why Male Military Veterans Are Committing Sexual Assault at Alarming Rates

From:

bifemmefatale.livejournal.com

(I should note that I don't agree with the author entirely and think she's being more than a little slanted. However, numerous sources have reported an epidemic of sexual assault among female enlisted.)

From:

pecunium.livejournal.com

Noticed that did you?

When I first saw this I was going... unmmmn, wha?

Then I hit that part, and went, "squick", because I don't think they are going to be able to recruit the most sensitive of "ex-military," types. I wouldn't do it, mostly because I think the whole thing is daft, as well as dangerous.

But on an island, "rehabilitating and educating,"? No.

The strange ideal/idolisation going on here is disturbing to.

I really hope it's a straight-scam, actually.

TK

From:

tlatoani.livejournal.com

I hope it's a role-playing campaign setting, but I kind of doubt it.

From:

anna-en-route.livejournal.com

first hand experience in business; fashion, publishing, tourism marketing and humanitarian; sex trafficking, environmental & animal abuse.

Oh...dear

Why on earth did they pick the kiwi anyway? Kiwi rehabilitation programs are doing really well right where they are thank you (and yes some of them are on islands but they happen to be islands where people in large numbers would seriously disrupt the ecosystem).

I live about 10 minutes walk from a huge swathe of predator-free wilderness which has been carved out of our capital city for native birds/lizards including some breeding pairs of kiwi.

From:

pecunium.livejournal.com

Because the kiwi is cute.

I am filtering all of this through the base idea that it's a scam. They will never, no matter how successful they are at separating people from their money, none of the rest of it will come to pass.

Where would they get the kiwis anyway? New Zealand isn't going to let them out of the country for this nonsense.

TK

From:

dsgood.livejournal.com

My take: It's partly a scam, partly serious.

From:

anna-en-route.livejournal.com

There are more common types of kiwi which they'd be more inclined to release to other zoos but you're absolutely right, no-one would let them leave the borders.

Not only that, kiwi are evolved for temporate *sub* tropical climates, the heat and humidity on most of the Asian Islands would not be beneficial (zoos used to have a similar problem with Tuatara, they'd assume that lizards from a small pacific island would naturally like the heat...tuatara live in some of the coldest areas in the country and did really badly).

From:

sinboy.livejournal.com

Step 2 is always eBay.

From:

don-fitch.livejournal.com

Sounds like an interesting scam, to me, worth attention only for the amusement or entertainment value, but if they do get the right people involved I suppose they could construct resort hotels on those islands, gaining much income from Tourism -- especially gentlemen of substantial means.

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killslowly.livejournal.com

I would totally do it.. LOL, but you know me Terry, I am a sucker for islands full of girls (except where Wonder Woman lived).

From: (Anonymous)

Hello Everyone,

Apparently I'm the scammer?

I have been accuse din the last 4 days of; Terrorist, Pedophile, Communist, Scam Artist and more.

The Internet is a wonderful thing, it allows me to see where people come from to view this blog, this is how I just stumbled into this.

What surprises me is this one point,

None of you emailed me, asked me anything that was unclear or could be miss interpreted.

Someone says scam, then some have a judgement before looking for themselves. Not to say, you are not intelligent enough to decide for yourself, it's just human nature.

I'll try to field a few of these.

I have contacted someone who breeds Kiwi's, they are currently looking at an Island project, but are unsure about them going far from NZ, but they do appreciate the offer.

CT is all about profit, the things on the wish list are for the non-profits.

Your right, rescuing those girls is dangerous, what is your point. I have rescued some of these girls, if you can sit back and just accept it happening, that's OK, I'm not asking you to be involved. It does state time and again this is dangerous.

Liaise, I'm sorry for that spelling mistake, but Liaise means exactly what it's definition is. your version of "liase" is a common misspelling, I would suggest you check this. I'm sure there are grammatical errors as I am no writer, but this is not one of them.

I also do not promise anything, people give nothing to CT, i have been asked to register as a charity and explain why not.

If you want to give to something that you believe in, why should you then get tax breaks? You do not then give for the right reasons.

Everyone is free to email me, you might be surprised if you speak with me. Happy to also talk on the phone.

Ryan

If you wish to email me, feel free. Contact, on the web blog.

From:

pecunium.livejournal.com

Why should I ask you to justify this?

The holes in this plan are large enough to drive trucks through.

When I ask you about them you will do what scam artists do, you will sing me a song about what wonderful plans you have, and all the people who are being "sourced" to make it work, the people who are looking at kiwis (a temperate bird which won't do well in the tropics, to say nothing of it being illegal to export them from NZ). It will all sound good, but it will all be things which are in development.

There won't be any real answers, and when hard questions get asked, some other excuse, "not for public knowledge" or, "security concerns" will make it something you can't share.

Lots of fast talk, but no substance.

I'm in the military. I know just how insane the plans you claim to be putting together are.

The logisitics alone are staggering, to say nothing of the moral implications.

As for the, why should people give you money if you aren't a charity, well people do give companies, which aren't charities money.

They do it for any number of reasons, but the root cause of all such transactions is an exchange. You aren't offering anything. You are asking people to give you money, on the promise that you will do something altruisitic with it. That's a charitable donation.

But charities have oversight. The books are public. People can see what's being done. All you are offering is a warm fuzzy, for something which might happen in the future.

It may be honest, but it's still a scam; because the things you are promising, ain't gonna happen.

From: (Anonymous)

You have not asked me anything, you have an opinion and that is all.

Your in, or were in the military, so of course you understand how to run the projects I'm doing as you are in the military.

Things in development - I do not understand your point, how do things become more unless they go through development.

Why should you ask me to justify? I never asked you to do that, but you are very willing for people to hear you first before you understand what I do properly.

If there are spelling errors, I'm not checking.

You have made a judegment on something you have not done any research to guage the fesability,it is your opinion. Ok.

You say I am honest, then say i am doing a scam, so an honest scam? I really do not understand that point.

I'm sorry you have decided to air your personal views on this.

If I was a charity, I could not rescue those children.

Donations, i do not take peoples money, if someone offers it as a gift then they can not ask more. I am being very transparent about this point.

I'm sorry you and those reading this blog feel this way.

Ryan

From:

pecunium.livejournal.com

I don't know how anyone else feels about it.

You don't understand an honest scam. I'll make it more plain, you are encouraging people to donate money (viz. So we are NOT a charity.

Why do we accept gifts of such things like Yachts etc if you are not a charity?

If people see what we are doing or want to help, we do not have a problem with this.

Also, when you give to a charity, you can give instead of paying a tax?

When you give, you should give without want of reward. Plus, that money gets re-cycled back into the government through wages, programmes etc. So the money you give, goes back into the government one way or another.
).

In that is an appeal; you are telling people to give you money, yachts, what have you, because you are better than a charity, because you can do things.

But you are also in no way accountable to those who make such donations.

You are telling them, right up front, that there isn't any guarantee you will do what they think you will do. That's the scam part.

You say I you think I know how to do this sort of thing, then you criticise me for making judgements, based on my experience, and you are, "sorry you have decided to air your personal views on this."

Damned straight I'm going to. As I said, the best hope is that you are nothing more than pipe-dreamer, who's seen one too many movies, read one too many Sabatini novels and thinks putting an operation to kidnap little girls and play Henry Higgins to their flowering as the salvation of world is possible.

The second best thing is that you are serious, and find some like-mindedly, addle-pated, sorts and try to pull it off, but are as gormles as you appear to be and Scotland Yard stops you before you get hurt.

Next on the list is your band of merry men go waltzing into Thailand, Burma, etc. and get caught/killed (not an unlikely outcome, esp. if you try this in Burma).

Worst, you actually get enough people together to build your, "Island" and are lucky enough to kidnap these girls you are pining to rescue. Then you get to lock them in the ivory tower you've created, and warp them in different ways from those warpages being slaves in the sex trade causes.

The scheme is, at best, hopeless. At worst, evil.

TK

From:

anna-en-route.livejournal.com

Gosh you're full of it. It would be illegal to remove kiwi from New Zealand (besides which there are already predator free islands like Tiri tiri matangi which actually conform to the kiwi's habitat).

Are you planning to smuggle birds? Should I be contacting DOC?

From: (Anonymous)

As you have thought so much about this, suggest an alternative.

Yes in Burma, and other area's the chances of me being killed are not small, but for me and those in Blood Rose, ONLY Blood Rose, this is our risk.

3 of the largest child trust/charities all said this "It is not cost affective to rescue those girls"

Terry, in each response I give I do not call names or say things in the wrong way, yet you continue to say things like

"addle-pated, sorts and try to pull it off, but are as gormles" "band of merry men" "lock them in the ivory tower" (Gormless)

"The scheme is, at best, hopeless. At worst, evil."
This part I simply do not understand. You are saying this is evil? I do not understand why, as it's rescuing girls from the sex trade. Is it not more evil to simply abandon these girls? Which is the current situation.

This can be civil Terry.

Ryan

From: (Anonymous)

Hello Anna,

Not at all. I offered to help a Kiwi organisation by offering part of the Island, as it is endangered.

They wanted an Island project to happen and said they are keeping this in mind but it is far from NZ, if the other island does not happen they will look at us.

That's all.

Ryan

From:

redbird

I also note that contributions to everything from the local theatre company to the Wildlife Conservation Society to your religion of choice come with tax breaks. That doesn't mean people aren't giving for "the right reasons," whatever those are--is it more or less "correct" for someone to donate to a theatre company whose productions they will then get to see, or one that they won't, and does it matter if they know someone in the cast? Are charitable works to be sneered at because people think they'll be rewarded by their gods?--because if I give $10 to a charity I might save $3 on my taxes, so in a pure financial calculation I'm better off putting the whole $10 in my bank account, or spending half of it on ice cream and banking the rest.

From:

pecunium.livejournal.com

I am being civil. I think stealing people away, so you can teach them what you want to, without taking their desires into it (teaching them english, what if they don't want to learn english?) is wrong.

As wrong as what you think you are going to stop.

More to the point, you aren't going to stop it. At best you will "rescue" a few hundred people. There are better ways to spend the money this will take; ways which might actually have a chance of real success.

So preventing that, is evil, because what you are doing won't do what you say you want it to do, and will make what you want to do less likely to happen anytime soon.

TK

From: (Anonymous)

So MY money, from MY company CT should be spent how.

Terry, if you have an alternative and you can convince me of this, then everything can change. Every single person in my org knows this, but NO ONE has come up with an alternative.

Political Change and GEB are the things that will affect things regionally and globally, while WO is the best thing for rehabilitation.

If I rescue 100 girls from 1 brothel in KL, how many will be able to speak Malaysian? all will be different nationalities and most of these countries teach English later anyway, so this is a moot point, I think?

I would very much appreciate you being able to tell me of a better solution.

Anyone, I would appreciate it.

Humbly,

Ryan

From:

anna-en-route.livejournal.com

There are *already* successful island projects ( not to mention predator free reserves).

You are totally full of it and appear to be contemplating illegally removing members of a protected species from New Zealand...