pecunium

I can say scam, but sheesh, how the hell do they expect to get people to contribute?

White Orchid

Living Legends is a pyramid, CT being the foundation of all other parts of LL. Individually, each part of LL can affect global change, but together they can create something that will change the foundation stones of our world and build a better one.

We are not concerned with half measures or discussion, we are governed by conscience not convenience and although all this sounds like catchy phrases, we will be judged by our actions.

We do not believe charities, as they are, should exist.

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions’

They go on. This is the second best part.

White Orchid is an Island project for girls rescued from the sex trade, currently concentrating in Asia. Buying Islands, building schools for rehabilitation and education. Each school will be Eco-Friendly and also be used as a reserve, in part for rescued animals. Breeding some, like the Kiwi. Reefs will be cultivated to create more breeding environments for marine life and flora; fauna will be cultivated. Staff will be PHD qualified.

Right. Export Kiwi, and other exotics to some island, and creating some "new" environment for them. What of the local ecology? Or do they plan to terraform some barren patch of coral sand?

It gets better. I like this part best.

Blood Rose is the extraction/rescue team for girls rescued from the sex trade. The Blood Rose team will use ex-military personnel to liaise, observe and rescue young captive girls.

Seems to me the observing ought to come first, then the "liaising," whatever that means. Even if they mean liase; that means they go and talk to this girls, recruit them to be "rescued" to this desert island. When/how will they do this? What if they want out, but don't want to go to this island "camp" to be rehabilitated?

After that the "rescue."

Military, so they plan what, armed kidnapping and extraction to this educational, recreational, ecological rescue (and where are the zookeepers coming from?

This is a "business"?

1: Steal underpants
2: ?
3: Profits.

Not exactly.

Just so you know what the "plan" is, these island communities are to be the training ground for Plato's Philosopher Kings.

Political Change will create global change by striving for intelligent ‘Women’ to become Heads of State. Political change is an idea from a man, Ryan who believes men have had their chance and the world has been engrossed in war, rape, murder, genocide and politics of business, not of nobility, justice and conscience. Political change will support those Ladies it feels are “Ladies” and do not turn into men, within the political system, however they desire. Currently focusing on returning power to the Elected Prime Minister of Burma, we are looking at how best to change the illegal military Junk-ta and will not stop until this happens.

Right.

To finance all of this, you can give money to the, for profit, Concientious Traveller, which is going to finance all of this. They promise.

No tax breaks, no pesky accounting requirements, nope. Give them business (or gifts) and they promise they will change the world.

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From: (Anonymous)

I liked to answer your first questions. Now it just shows you do not read anything, you skim.

Director General, does he not then distribute the responsibilities, which I do.

Island compound, there is none. No men on the Island for year one.

Why do you try to make this sound like anything else but a school on an Island?

It states so many times, Blood Rose is seperate.

Again with traffciing, I would suggest you read something on this. How people cross boarders. As I have not said I will take anyone accross boarders. I also do not say anything about hiding supplies going to the island, it is just strange questioning.

"Professional entities do now use YouTube, FLICKR and other free hosting sites if they are to be taken seriously"

You say DO

Ryan

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If you don't cross borders, how do the girls get to the island?

If you have no weapons, and aren't staging raids, why do you need/want/plan on having "ex-military" types on the rescue?

Why not just get ex-police, or social workers?

The problem you are facing is we do read everything, the pieces don't fit. When you are asked about one piece, you point at another. Or you point to the "not for public forums" (just as I said you would).

You say this isn't illegal; but it is. You are talking about removing the citizens of one country, to another country, and without their specifc consent, without passports (or are you planning to get them for the girls, and then just walk away? Again, if that's the case, why the need for military types, and the island... oh wait, I forgot the Minister of Health from an undisclosed nation says that's the best thing for the girls. Silly me).

It's those details, and the apparent lack of analysis of the problems, hurdles and risks; combined with your admitting things (like my experience in these things...

killslowly has at least as much as I do... and his comments you also just brush away) which are problematic, and then saying, "but that won't matter," which make us say this is, at best hare-brained.

This is a wasted effort. You have a vision, a grand dream of being some sort of world changing savior. Nothing we can say is going to stop you from thinking this is feasible.

Best of luck, you'll need it.

From: (Anonymous)

Your simply a small minded man.

I have tried, you have lied and accuse and slander. I have been civil, you have been ignorant.

I have explianed, you mock.

So I will answer one more time so you can understand things again and again.

1. I never said they would not have weapons.
2. I never said I would not conduct raids.
3. Ex military personel are trained in extraction and self defense, I do not remember someone from green peace being trained like this.
4. Police are not trained as much as ex military, but then again you being in it, should know this.
5.I never point, I simply say READ, as you ask questions that have already been answerd in the FAQ.
6.Do you think girls in brothels have passports? hahahahahahahahahahaha you definetly know your stuff. Hey I just rescued 5 girls all between 5-9, quick lets get thier passports hahahahaha you do make me laugh.
7. LAST TIME ON THIS - If you have an Island in country A, youy rescue girls from that countries brothels, they girls are from many different countries. DO YOU UNDERSTAND.
8.I never said the minister said anything like this, I said about an Island that she is reponsible for. Again you get confused.
9. I offred to tell you about the country, yet I did not receive an email from you...... you make me laugh so hard today.

10. You are in the Army, what do you do?

I am curious, how many people have you killed? What do you do? Where are you stationed?

The one who trips over his own words and can not remember anything from an FAQ section to words I use and then you mis use, saying I say things I do not.

11. World Savior - Well no I'm not, but I am happy to say that most certainly is not you.

It is not just me that thinks this is not only fesable but HAPPENING!!

Ryan

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Let's see, in order. You have been less than civil. You have implied that I want to go to brothels and screw enslaved children. You are nothing but aggressive, not surprising considering your profession. Oh, is that a stereo type. Is it also a stereo type to say those in armed forces are more likely to be those with these girls...; I wonder what your motivations relay are here. Simple question. I'm not suggesting anything, just wondering.

Which is a passive/aggressive suggestion that you know my "real" motives.

1 & 2: But you did say you weren't going to play "Rambo" 1. I never said anything about the weapons you mention. This is straight, rescue operations. Not, sorry for the analogy, Rambo rescuing Vietnahm war Veterans.

So, which is it. Weapons, and "extraction" missions, or just smuggling people across the border, without a passport (which is legal... how?)?

3 & 4: Who said anything about Greenpeace? Believe me, if I was going to try something this foolharady, I would be looking for military types. The difference is, I wouldn't try anything this foolhardy.

5: I did read. CT is going to pay for it? How? By sending people to backpacking excursions for, semi, free?

The schooling is being sourced the food will be produced locally. Who will do the farming? How will it integrate into the island ecology? How will the "ecoligical preserve, and breeding projects be staffed and funded? (I breed snakes, which is easy, compared to some of the more exotic species you want to help, which means experts, and study, and habitat. Look at why the cheetah, in thousands of years; since the Egyptians, has never been bred in captivity).

7: Yes, I understand. That's the problem. I see that you are confusing your desire to help these girls, with knowing what best for them. You want to kidnap them (illegal, even if morally correct) and ship them off to someplace where you can train them to be what you want them to be. "Rehabilitating" them (your word). It's daft. It's impossible, and it's wrong. Getting them out of the situation they are in is a good thing, the way you are proposing isn't.

8: You did say the Minister said such things, 10. An Island for girls that have escaped from the sex trade is finances by one government in South East Asia, I have spoken to the minister of health about this in person. "It is best for safety to have them on an Island"

If I e-mail you, you will promise to tell me (well, no, you won't, because you don't think I will help... in this you are probably right, the odds of you being able to convince me this is anything more than a mad scheme are pretty small; though, other than telling people what I think, I'm not actively hindering you) but I have to sign an NDA.

Which means I'm in a worse spot than I am now. I could still say I think it a stupid thing, but then you would say I know all about it, and am just pissing in your porridge. I'd have to say, "yes, but I can't tell you about it.

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Elsewhere you try to paint me as a fool; who knows nothing of business.

Well, you're wrong (big surprise). My family owns a bookstore. Going on 23 years now. Branched into online sales about 7 years back. Keeps them (I have grown up, and moved on) solvent, and fairly comfortable.

I'm a professional photographer. That's a complicated business. Requires people skills, planning (the equipment, the models, the client, the location, etc.,) all have to be brought together.

The images have to be captured, edited, printed.

I work in both film, and now, digital. I've been doing it for more than 20 years; sometimes more, sometimes less.

I've got fifteen years in the service. I've trained all over the world, with something like 30 different armies. I'll be in Germany this year, I was in Ukraine and Scotland last year (you can look back in this blog for some details).

I admire your sense of purpose, I just think you are doing it badly. In a way which won't work, and will end up wasting a lot of money, or getting people hurt/killed.

I'm sorry that being told these things hurts your feelings; but if you plan to keep on trying to make this work, you need to 1: get a thicker skin, 2: get a better plan, and 3: find a more capable spokesman.

10: The rest of your comments, here; and in the other response are not questions a civil person asks another. You said you'd read enough to know I was in the military. Well you obviously missed the parts where I said what do, where I've been, and what I think about it.

I'm not trying to start a campaign to steal children, and hold them in captivity, for their own good. You are, burdens of proof are on you.

I said this looked like a scam. I said if it wasn't a scam you were making a big mistake, one which is doomed to fail, and which is likely to get people killed.

You've asked for what I think would work better.

Karl said it best, kill the demand.

If the UK (since that's where you live) were to get off their butt (the US, France, Germany, Canada, etc. could all do the same) and make this expensive for those who take part, it would end.

Not sanctions on Thailand, Burma, the Dominican Republic, etc., but prosecutions on those who travel to partake. I find it hard to believe that the "sex-tourism" trade is only five percent of the clientele (in part because I know that Olongopo Harbor wasn't being frequented by Philipinos. What we do about Itaewan is a different problem).

Spend the money to send some people to Thailand, and scope out the customers. Send a finding back to the Home Office. Arrest them. If there are enough all booked from the same agency, investigate them, and then close it down.

If people are willing to buy the service, the girls, boys and women who are being exploited, will only be replaced as they age, die or get stolen away.

You aren't in a position to wage war. Piddly little raids aren't going to stop it.

It takes, as did slavery, a change in world opinion. Your schemes aren't going to do it, because you don't have the chops. Even if you did have the chops, the odds are stacked against you.

I'll still open your comments, but this is the last thing I'm going to say on the matter. I've wasted enough time trying to teach this pig to sing.

Good day.
TK