Despite my opinions of the overall effect of our the Mess-in-potamia, I happen to think most of the soldiers are doing their best (I may have some bias in that view) and that not all which happens is bad. I'm of a mixed mind on how to cover it, because, on the whole, I think we're fucked and covering all the good, might make it worse, because it will eclipse the bad.
I know the counter-argument... covering the bad without giving the good, at least, equal weight, makes it less likely we'll manage to save this goat-rope. Without a crystal ball, allowing me to see which has more merit (the good, or the ill) I'd have to say I want us out sooner rather than later, because I see no good end.
But I'll grant the right, even the duty of those who hold the opposite view to score what points they can with the good (just don't talk to me about building schools. I will come and scream at you... no I won't detail that, but it's a sore point).
But that does not give anyone the right to twist facts, for any purpose.
Which brings me to this.

This is obviously photoshopped. I suspect I could do better. It's disturbing, in this version, because of the nitrile gloves. Most people are only familiar with them from shots of Abu Ghraib.
So, noodling around a bit I found this version... still photoshopped, but less bothersome (and lacking the propagandistic message)

Then we get a link to the original
That's a good picture, One might even run it with the propagandistic slogans and while I'd find it heavy handed, it isn't bothersome, until one reads the cutline.
Photo by Hayne Palmour/North County Times
Navy Corpsman Richard Barnett of Camarilo, Calif. checks the heart of a young Iraqi boy as other Navy medics treat the boy's older sister, right, after the two children and their family were caught in a crossfire between US Marines and Iraqi soldiers just outside of a Marine encampment in central Iraq on Saturday, March 29, 2003. The boy was not injured. His sister, who received gunshot wounds, was expected to survive. The father was wounded and the mother was killed in the gun battle. "If anything good comes from this nonsense, I haven't seen it yet," said Barnett after the two children and their father were taken away for a medivac helicopter.
So, how glad do you think she is that we're there? And how would Barnett feel if he knew how his picture of this event was being used?
I know how I'd feel, were it me.
I know the counter-argument... covering the bad without giving the good, at least, equal weight, makes it less likely we'll manage to save this goat-rope. Without a crystal ball, allowing me to see which has more merit (the good, or the ill) I'd have to say I want us out sooner rather than later, because I see no good end.
But I'll grant the right, even the duty of those who hold the opposite view to score what points they can with the good (just don't talk to me about building schools. I will come and scream at you... no I won't detail that, but it's a sore point).
But that does not give anyone the right to twist facts, for any purpose.
Which brings me to this.

This is obviously photoshopped. I suspect I could do better. It's disturbing, in this version, because of the nitrile gloves. Most people are only familiar with them from shots of Abu Ghraib.
So, noodling around a bit I found this version... still photoshopped, but less bothersome (and lacking the propagandistic message)

Then we get a link to the original
That's a good picture, One might even run it with the propagandistic slogans and while I'd find it heavy handed, it isn't bothersome, until one reads the cutline.
Photo by Hayne Palmour/North County Times
Navy Corpsman Richard Barnett of Camarilo, Calif. checks the heart of a young Iraqi boy as other Navy medics treat the boy's older sister, right, after the two children and their family were caught in a crossfire between US Marines and Iraqi soldiers just outside of a Marine encampment in central Iraq on Saturday, March 29, 2003. The boy was not injured. His sister, who received gunshot wounds, was expected to survive. The father was wounded and the mother was killed in the gun battle. "If anything good comes from this nonsense, I haven't seen it yet," said Barnett after the two children and their father were taken away for a medivac helicopter.
So, how glad do you think she is that we're there? And how would Barnett feel if he knew how his picture of this event was being used?
I know how I'd feel, were it me.
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Date: 2005-02-02 11:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-03 12:09 am (UTC)But thank you. It's good to have my low opinion of this administration confirmed in such a straightforward manner
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Date: 2005-02-03 12:16 am (UTC)This is grass-roots rot.
TK
There was a long thing on dKos about this
Date: 2005-02-03 01:34 am (UTC)I've been following the career of retired Marine Sgt. Jimmy Massey, who was one of the first to speak out publically against the random shooting of civilians. (I left him and his family an encouraging message early on, fearful of the retaliation of Freepers against him and his.) He's now an active anti-recruiter - far from being cowed by opposition (or depression), he's getting louder.
Re: There was a long thing on dKos about this
Date: 2005-02-03 01:57 am (UTC)But the problem is, of course, that others have grabbed it, and now it lives beyond her.
TK
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Date: 2005-02-03 02:21 am (UTC)It actually reminds me very much of Michael at [url=http://hereswhatsleft.typepad.com/home/2004/12/this_may_be_the.html]Here's What's Left[/url]'s piece on "conservative art." It's been stripped of its real meaning, the actual truth of the matter has been considered too ugly and therefore replaced with an anodyne platitude to make people feel better about not thinking too deeply.
War has a cost. I firmly believe that if you have to airbrush out the blood in order to continue supporting military action, you've got no business saying you support it. Imaginary fairy tales in which innocent people don't get hurt are for children, not adults.
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Date: 2005-02-03 04:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-03 01:08 am (UTC)Terry, you write so simply yet so eloquently.
Just wanted to say thank you.
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Date: 2005-02-03 01:12 pm (UTC)I agree that the issue is there and real. I'm also inclined to agree the image posted with the propaganda (and it's propaganda no matter which spin is put on it, good or bad) is photoshopped and not necessarily well; the backgrounds between the two shots are too dissimilar.
I am inclined to wonder if the originator of the issue read George Santayana.
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Date: 2005-02-03 03:08 pm (UTC)It makes me so angry again at the stupid effin' war-mongering evil b*stards in DC. They sleep so well at night, too, the b*stards.
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Date: 2005-02-03 06:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-03 07:26 pm (UTC)Though I am curious (no need to answer) what it was (a comment,; mine, or hers, random clicking, recommendation) which caused you to head over here.
TK
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Date: 2005-02-03 08:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-06 06:56 pm (UTC)Whimsical note, when I asked to friend her (she having a locked journal) she warned me I might be uncomfortable, because it was sort of liberal.
:)
TK
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Date: 2005-02-03 07:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-03 11:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-07 12:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-07 04:13 pm (UTC)TK
Batch of bleedin' heart crap
Date: 2005-02-11 03:20 am (UTC)Re: Batch of bleedin' heart crap
Date: 2005-02-11 03:35 am (UTC)I much doubt you have either the courage, or the good graces, to come back and reveal yourself.
No matter, your nature is revealed.
For the sake of elucidation, my togroldytic guest... I am one of the troops you seem to think your foul-mouthed abuse is helping. So I get both, the insults and the praise.
With 12 years in the Army, five trips overseas, and more time in a combat zone than I wanted... I have to say that your failure to comprehend the principle for which I enlisted, and went to war is amazing.
I didn't do it because I like your ilk. No I did it because I happen to believe the values the country was founded on (and they were liberal values, issues of self-determination, dissent and personal liberty) are important.
Your scatological nonsense is not only un-american, it is anti-american and while I may be protecting your right to be both mis-informed and bigoted, I, at least, sign my name to my beliefs and stepped up to the plate by enlisting.
I know, for a fact, that the first is beyond you, and suspect the latter as well.
So, put up or shut up, and be aware that I have more respect for the president than I ever will for you.
TK
Re: Batch of bleedin' heart crap
Date: 2005-02-11 04:43 am (UTC)On the off chance that the coward who left this comment returns to see what kind of replies it generated, I'll say here and now that TK (the writer of this journal) is a good man and a good soldier. He'd have even made a good Marine if he'd joined the Corps. He's certainly earned the right to express his hard-learned opinions on matters of national defense and troop morale.
The author of the anonymous comment, on the other hand, shows no evidence of being the equal of a good soldier, or even a pimple on a good soldier's ass.
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Date: 2005-02-11 06:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-30 04:42 pm (UTC)I like your journal in general. May I add you as a friend?
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Date: 2005-08-30 06:54 pm (UTC)TK