Security theater
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pecuniumIt's harder to get a Driver's license in NJ than it is to get a passport.
Which is good, because if I didn't have a passport I couldn't get a New Jersey Driver's License.
I need to have either, a passport, my birth certificate adoption Papers, Certificate of naturilization, or a New Jeresey ID/license not older than one year past expiration.
I also need
Civil marriage, domestic partnership or civil union certificate issued by the municipality or state in which the ceremony occurred. Please note: Photo copies are not acceptable. Certificates issued by religious entities are not acceptable.
Order or decree of divorce, dissolution or termination*
Court order for a legal name change, signed by a judge or court clerk*
Current US military dependent card
US military photo retiree card
Valid NJ firearm purchaser card
Or,
US school photo ID card with transcript or school records
US college photo ID card with transcript
Valid federal, state or local government employee driver license
Valid federal, state or local government employee photo ID card
US military discharge papers (DD214)
FAA pilot license
If I don't have one of those, I need two (but cannot use more than two) of the following.
Current/expired less than one year non-digital NJ PHOTO driver license
Current PHOTO driver license from any other state or the District of Columbia
Social Security card
Bank statement or record
ATM card with preprinted name and applicant’s signature. (Please note: An ATM card and bank
statement cannot be submitted together.)
Current health insurance card, prescription card OR Employee ID card with printed pay stub
State professional license
NJ public assistance card with photo (also known as a NJ Social Services ID card)
High school diploma, GED or college diploma
Property tax statement, bill or receipt issued by a New Jersey municipality
Veterans Affairs universal access photo ID card
(I'm not sure what that last is. I might have one).
To go with that, I need proof of address. Thankfully my bank has accepted my chainge address, because it's the only acceptable proof of address I am likely have without doing some really strange hoop jumping.
If I take all of that in, and surrender my out of state license, then I can be given one from New Jersey.
When I want to renew my license, it seems I need to do the whole thing over again.
I look at that list and the thing wich strikes me is how easy a lot of them are to fake. Does the State of New Jersey check every possible diploma with the school that issued it? If I have someone's SS number, how hard; given the way these things are linked, would it be to get a transcript to go with a "diploma"?
It's even easier to fake a DD-214. The clerks aren't going to know what is slightly screwed up if someone takes a look at this site it links to an online registry of DD-214s, just in case you wanted to get one which you could use to build a good fake: heck, here's one just asking to be grabbed. A little work to find the form online, and away you go). I have two DD-214s, and somewhere I am supposed to have an NGB-22, which is the equivalent form from my release from the National Guard. That's in addition to the Honorable Discharge I don't have a copy of of.
What, I wonder, is the difference between a non-digital PHOTO driver license and a digital one, and why can I use one of each? (at 1 point, and four points, respectively)?
What it does do is make it a lot more expensive (and hassle) to get an ID.
** IMPORTANT INFORMATION:
If your current legal name is different from the name on your civil birth certificate (e.g., your maiden name), then you must show legal proof of the name change. Legal proof = Certified marriage or civil union certificate, divorce decree or court order linking the new name with a previous name.
Note: A divorce decree may be used as authority to resume using a previous name only if it contains the new name and the previous name and permits a return to use of the previous name.
Which is good, because if I didn't have a passport I couldn't get a New Jersey Driver's License.
I need to have either, a passport, my birth certificate adoption Papers, Certificate of naturilization, or a New Jeresey ID/license not older than one year past expiration.
I also need
Civil marriage, domestic partnership or civil union certificate issued by the municipality or state in which the ceremony occurred. Please note: Photo copies are not acceptable. Certificates issued by religious entities are not acceptable.
Order or decree of divorce, dissolution or termination*
Court order for a legal name change, signed by a judge or court clerk*
Current US military dependent card
US military photo retiree card
Valid NJ firearm purchaser card
Or,
US school photo ID card with transcript or school records
US college photo ID card with transcript
Valid federal, state or local government employee driver license
Valid federal, state or local government employee photo ID card
US military discharge papers (DD214)
FAA pilot license
If I don't have one of those, I need two (but cannot use more than two) of the following.
Current/expired less than one year non-digital NJ PHOTO driver license
Current PHOTO driver license from any other state or the District of Columbia
Social Security card
Bank statement or record
ATM card with preprinted name and applicant’s signature. (Please note: An ATM card and bank
statement cannot be submitted together.)
Current health insurance card, prescription card OR Employee ID card with printed pay stub
State professional license
NJ public assistance card with photo (also known as a NJ Social Services ID card)
High school diploma, GED or college diploma
Property tax statement, bill or receipt issued by a New Jersey municipality
Veterans Affairs universal access photo ID card
(I'm not sure what that last is. I might have one).
To go with that, I need proof of address. Thankfully my bank has accepted my chainge address, because it's the only acceptable proof of address I am likely have without doing some really strange hoop jumping.
If I take all of that in, and surrender my out of state license, then I can be given one from New Jersey.
When I want to renew my license, it seems I need to do the whole thing over again.
I look at that list and the thing wich strikes me is how easy a lot of them are to fake. Does the State of New Jersey check every possible diploma with the school that issued it? If I have someone's SS number, how hard; given the way these things are linked, would it be to get a transcript to go with a "diploma"?
It's even easier to fake a DD-214. The clerks aren't going to know what is slightly screwed up if someone takes a look at this site it links to an online registry of DD-214s, just in case you wanted to get one which you could use to build a good fake: heck, here's one just asking to be grabbed. A little work to find the form online, and away you go). I have two DD-214s, and somewhere I am supposed to have an NGB-22, which is the equivalent form from my release from the National Guard. That's in addition to the Honorable Discharge I don't have a copy of of.
What, I wonder, is the difference between a non-digital PHOTO driver license and a digital one, and why can I use one of each? (at 1 point, and four points, respectively)?
What it does do is make it a lot more expensive (and hassle) to get an ID.
** IMPORTANT INFORMATION:
If your current legal name is different from the name on your civil birth certificate (e.g., your maiden name), then you must show legal proof of the name change. Legal proof = Certified marriage or civil union certificate, divorce decree or court order linking the new name with a previous name.
Note: A divorce decree may be used as authority to resume using a previous name only if it contains the new name and the previous name and permits a return to use of the previous name.
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Date: 2011-09-20 04:51 pm (UTC)It is possible that other states don't digitize the photo yet; that's the only way I can see a non-digital photo license. Somewhere I have old ID with tiny picture pasted in and then laminated...
But yes, that is ... an impressive amount ... of documentation. I shudder to think of what will be requested for voter registration...