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May. 4th, 2009 10:56 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
pecuniumWhat They Said
I'm sorry to be throwing so much about torture at you all. I assume those who keep reading are in agreement with me. Think of it as reference material for when someone says something stupid like "torture works," or begins to blather about ticking bombs, buried babies, etc. I do this so you don't have to. :)
Mind you, vast numbers of those who say such things are beyond reason. I made the effort of commenting to a horrid column in some New Jersey paper. By itself that was no big deal, were I able to just pull a fire, and forget.
But I will go back to see what the first pass of fools have to say. Oi...
It was worth it, not for the first pass (there were a number of people calling the authors on the crap they were pulling: Me, I took them to task for the cards they were palming), but for the new "insult" I was delivered.
I, you see, well I can't do it justice, a quotation is all that I can do: pecunium,
You were NEVER an Army Interrogator. You are a lefty lawyer. Another liberal liar outed.
A lefty-lawyer. That's sort of flattering.
A liberal... ouch, that stings. I mean, all I did was tout the rule of law, and the constition. I was saying things Reagan said. So, liberal. I guess I can bear it.
Liar... Typical. I disagreed with torture, ergo I can't have been in the Army, and certainly not an interrogator. It's not the first time I've gotten this; won't be the last.
Sadly, the reply is in moderation (I used links to support my response; I think they are worried about spam). I suspect it will be released, in the morning; unless they have 24 hour a day moderation. Seems to be my day to fail at being seen.
I'm sorry to be throwing so much about torture at you all. I assume those who keep reading are in agreement with me. Think of it as reference material for when someone says something stupid like "torture works," or begins to blather about ticking bombs, buried babies, etc. I do this so you don't have to. :)
Mind you, vast numbers of those who say such things are beyond reason. I made the effort of commenting to a horrid column in some New Jersey paper. By itself that was no big deal, were I able to just pull a fire, and forget.
But I will go back to see what the first pass of fools have to say. Oi...
It was worth it, not for the first pass (there were a number of people calling the authors on the crap they were pulling: Me, I took them to task for the cards they were palming), but for the new "insult" I was delivered.
I, you see, well I can't do it justice, a quotation is all that I can do: pecunium,
You were NEVER an Army Interrogator. You are a lefty lawyer. Another liberal liar outed.
A lefty-lawyer. That's sort of flattering.
A liberal... ouch, that stings. I mean, all I did was tout the rule of law, and the constition. I was saying things Reagan said. So, liberal. I guess I can bear it.
Liar... Typical. I disagreed with torture, ergo I can't have been in the Army, and certainly not an interrogator. It's not the first time I've gotten this; won't be the last.
Sadly, the reply is in moderation (I used links to support my response; I think they are worried about spam). I suspect it will be released, in the morning; unless they have 24 hour a day moderation. Seems to be my day to fail at being seen.
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Date: 2009-05-05 07:28 pm (UTC)My answer to that has always been "isn't that the point? Isn't that one of the things that makes America America, that You're Better Than Al-Queda/the VC/the KPA/KGB,GRU,Commies?" Unlike you, Terry, I've never been in the military, but even I've managed to figure out that the best way to defend the higher ground is not "step 1: abandon it". Am I wrong? Also, isn't "inciting fear in order to impose your ideology/will on 'them'" - which is a fairly accurate description of these "enhanced interrogation techniques" - um, the definition of terror? Does that make us terrorists? Or is this another of those irregular verbs - "I use hardball interrogation; you torture; he is a terrorist"?
A lot of the people in the comments to the nj.com article are talking about "stacking bodies like cordwood" as a result of all those terrorist attacks we won't be able to stop using normal interrogation techniques. Apart from the massive unstated/unproven premise in the argument, without which it falls apart, and against which you are railing against every day (and thank you for that), how many people are we actually talking about? As I've said a number of times already, talk to me again when the 5-year average annual chance of dying in a terrorist attack becomes higher than the 5-year average monthly chance of dying crossing the street, which I do every day going to work and am not deathly afraid of. Whoever is afraid of another 10/30/4000 deaths in a society where 40 000 die annually in driving accidents (never mind the rest of real life) and is willing to make their country a "if the President says so, it's true" state to alleviate it, can move to a state where that exists. Might I suggest the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?
My challenge to Americans (and Canadians): Terrorism is deliberately inciting fear into people for ideological gain. Look at who's trying to keep you afraid, and what they're getting out of it. That's who's terrorizing you, and my guess is, that if you are really honest, the majority will be white guys in suits, not brown guys with IEDs.
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Date: 2009-05-05 07:41 pm (UTC)What they, sort of, bury is the belief (which justifies) that only because extraordinary effort, have we been spared the dozens of attacks; each at least as terrible as That Tuesday, which the Evil Terr'ists, have been planning, organising, and finanlly foiled by the Freedom's Noble Torturers.
And I've spent all the effort I can there. Much more and I shall begin to foam at the mouth.