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May. 4th, 2009 10:56 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
pecuniumWhat They Said
I'm sorry to be throwing so much about torture at you all. I assume those who keep reading are in agreement with me. Think of it as reference material for when someone says something stupid like "torture works," or begins to blather about ticking bombs, buried babies, etc. I do this so you don't have to. :)
Mind you, vast numbers of those who say such things are beyond reason. I made the effort of commenting to a horrid column in some New Jersey paper. By itself that was no big deal, were I able to just pull a fire, and forget.
But I will go back to see what the first pass of fools have to say. Oi...
It was worth it, not for the first pass (there were a number of people calling the authors on the crap they were pulling: Me, I took them to task for the cards they were palming), but for the new "insult" I was delivered.
I, you see, well I can't do it justice, a quotation is all that I can do: pecunium,
You were NEVER an Army Interrogator. You are a lefty lawyer. Another liberal liar outed.
A lefty-lawyer. That's sort of flattering.
A liberal... ouch, that stings. I mean, all I did was tout the rule of law, and the constition. I was saying things Reagan said. So, liberal. I guess I can bear it.
Liar... Typical. I disagreed with torture, ergo I can't have been in the Army, and certainly not an interrogator. It's not the first time I've gotten this; won't be the last.
Sadly, the reply is in moderation (I used links to support my response; I think they are worried about spam). I suspect it will be released, in the morning; unless they have 24 hour a day moderation. Seems to be my day to fail at being seen.
I'm sorry to be throwing so much about torture at you all. I assume those who keep reading are in agreement with me. Think of it as reference material for when someone says something stupid like "torture works," or begins to blather about ticking bombs, buried babies, etc. I do this so you don't have to. :)
Mind you, vast numbers of those who say such things are beyond reason. I made the effort of commenting to a horrid column in some New Jersey paper. By itself that was no big deal, were I able to just pull a fire, and forget.
But I will go back to see what the first pass of fools have to say. Oi...
It was worth it, not for the first pass (there were a number of people calling the authors on the crap they were pulling: Me, I took them to task for the cards they were palming), but for the new "insult" I was delivered.
I, you see, well I can't do it justice, a quotation is all that I can do: pecunium,
You were NEVER an Army Interrogator. You are a lefty lawyer. Another liberal liar outed.
A lefty-lawyer. That's sort of flattering.
A liberal... ouch, that stings. I mean, all I did was tout the rule of law, and the constition. I was saying things Reagan said. So, liberal. I guess I can bear it.
Liar... Typical. I disagreed with torture, ergo I can't have been in the Army, and certainly not an interrogator. It's not the first time I've gotten this; won't be the last.
Sadly, the reply is in moderation (I used links to support my response; I think they are worried about spam). I suspect it will be released, in the morning; unless they have 24 hour a day moderation. Seems to be my day to fail at being seen.
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Date: 2009-05-05 04:13 am (UTC)First... feeling your pain... big time!
But more on point, I think as time wears on, and we are confronted more and more with the various crimes of the previous administration (and I for one am beginning to rethink my position on the ex post facto defense for many of the front line people who might have been involved) we are going to see cognitive dissonance elevated to high art among the various defenders of the administration who spent a good part of the last eight years believing -- deeply and truly -- that these things couldn't possibly be true, or if they were, it was a rogue soldier or unit gone off the reservation and the bad guy probably had it comin' anyway...
This is a fight, we over at the mojowire (http://www.mojowire.blogspot.com) have been battling through for years now.
On a related side note... I will be very interested to see the DoJ's Office of Professional Responsibility's report on Yoo's, Bybee's, and Gonzalez' professionalism in authoring such horribly thought out legal opinions for the White House...
I will only say this in a larger political-legal context: I believe this needs to be handled in a very careful way. I think it sets a dangerous precedence if an incoming administration can come in and decide that a bunch of actions of the previous administration were criminal and start hauling people up before The Man.
A guy who goes by the name Publius over at Obsidian Wings (http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/) once made the wry observation that Constitutional Law cannot really be separated from the surrounding politics and that anyone who says different is selling something...
Did I mention that Jeb Bush has joined Mitt Romeny on a speaking/townhall meeting tour of early 2012 battleground states lately?
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Date: 2009-05-05 04:43 am (UTC)If I wasn't, if I am the professional I claim to be, then they have to look at themselves and admit they are in favor of horrible things.
That's a lot to accept.
But me, the charge hurts not at all. I know where I've been, what I've done, and why. I can live with that.