pecunium: (Default)
[personal profile] pecunium
I was listening to a piece on the radio, about the new album recorded by the Royal Scots Dragoons Guards (Carabiniers and Greys). This is a swell bunch of guys (I got to see some of them last summer when I was up at Cameron Barracks).

It was a nice enough piece. Thirty-five years ago they released an album, and someone decided to do another one. So far so good.

But the reporter asked a stupid question. One that two-minutes of research would have prevented. She made a reference to them, "playing" in Afghanistan and Iraq, as if the Pipes and Drums are nothing more than a band, instead of being soldiers too.

Then again, "Veterans' Day" irks me anyhow.

Yeah, I'm a vet. It matters, but it matters in ways the "holiday" can't address. My grandfather was in WW1. The end of WW1 means more to me (and not because of him, he's just a concretization of it; for me) than some silly "tribute" to "those who serve." The platitudes on the commercials, of how much "we" owe to veterans ring a little hollow when I see how hard it is to get VA benefits. When I think about, "concurrent reciept" when the guys who get a pro-rated retirement from being in the Reserves also have to wait, 20-40 years to collect it.

"Veterans' Day" make me think o' "Tommy" So I guess I'll share.

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
    O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
    But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
    The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
    O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
 
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
    But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
    The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
    O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

 
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
    Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
    But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
    The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
    O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
 
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
    While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
    But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
    There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
    O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.


You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
    For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
    But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
    An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
    An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!


That was penned in 1892, almost 120 years on, and nothing much is changed.


hit counter

Date: 2007-11-11 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cjmr.livejournal.com
FWIW, thank you, anyway?

Do you have any concrete things we civvies can do to make life better, easier, etc for veterans? (Aside from trying to elect officials who will do more than pay lip service to VA issues.)

Date: 2007-11-11 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
FWIW, you're welcome, but I think (and it's not a denigration of your sincerity) the thanks aren't really meant for me, but rather to an ideal; I just happen to be (as is my grandfather) a concrete example. It's hard to be grateful to an abstraction.

That may be part of why I (and a number of my fellows) are less than completely comfortable with being thanked. The same emotions which play to those who dislike soldiers, because they represent the army are in play.

But one can shrug off anger; because one didn't do anything to earn it. Thanks, which one didn't "earn" aren't quite the same. To brush them off would seem ungracious; even rude.

Voting for those sorts of people would be about the best thing you can do. Care packages work too. I favor those which aren't effusive in praise. A simple, "thought this might help," would be enough.

And never pack soap with food.

TK

Greatness there

Date: 2007-11-11 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bodandra.livejournal.com
Thank you for posting that.

Date: 2007-11-12 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lalouve.livejournal.com
What Vonnegut describes comes very close to what I felt when first experiencing 11 November at an airport in England. It was solemn, eerie, strange, and heart-breaking, and not in any sense a holiday feeling.
Being a pacifist, I find it hard to thank soldiers for what they do: I can say that I recognise the suffering, and the honour, and the desire to do something which is perceived to be necessary, even though it's sometimes (even often) distasteful. So, while I find it odd and irrelevant to offer you my thanks, I would like you to know that you have earned my respect, even though it strikes me as a presumptious thing to tell you.

Date: 2007-11-12 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
That seems not at all presumptous.

Last summer, as I was leaving Inverness, there was a national moment of silence. It was... different. Not least because I wanted to tell the young woman on her cell phone, to shut up.

But your sentiment doesn't make me anywhere near as uncomfortable as thanks.

TK

Date: 2007-11-12 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lalouve.livejournal.com
Good - then I think I managed to get across what I was trying to say...

Profile

pecunium: (Default)
pecunium

June 2023

S M T W T F S
    123
45678910
11 121314151617
181920212223 24
252627282930 

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated Mar. 1st, 2026 06:29 pm
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios