Won't Ask, Don't Care
Sep. 10th, 2012 03:39 pmDADT has been dead for a year, and the military is doing just fine.
No fucking surprise
A study done on the effect the repeal of DADT had on the military found no harm to the ability to perform the mission, no detriments to unit cohesion and puts the lie, one hopes for good, to the stupidity in this statement, “Repeal… would undermine recruiting and retention, impact leadership at all levels, have adverse effects on the willingness of parents who lend their sons and daughters to military service, and eventually break the All-Volunteer Force.”
That was the considered opinion of more than 1,100 flag officers who ought to have known better. I say that because, according to Randy Shilts, in “Conduct Unbecoming” , the hypocritical defense of the exclusion has been going on for ages.
Ten years ago, a two-star general, whose glittering name Shilts does supply as his punch line, made a strong defense of gay exclusion for the court record in a gay-rights case.
But off the record, to a lawyer on the case later interviewed by Shilts, the general "unofficially admitted he expected that the regulations would fall within a few years. He added that would be fine with him, because he knew many fine gay soldiers." That general was Norman Schwarzkopf.†
Sadly Swarzkopf was wrong, and it took more another 20 years... an entire career for the ban to fall. Anyone who was in the service, in the past ten years would have told you the ban was doomed. The Army can’t ignore the broader culture and the ways in which they dealt with homosexuals in service just made it worse. In the Gulf War they ignored people who were gay, delaying discharge until after the war was over.
That undercut the “can’t have them at the front, because their buddies won’t trust them”. I can tell you, when people are shooting at me, who my battle-buddy likes to sleep with is not on my mind.
The study
One Year Out: An Assessment of DADT Repeal’s Impact on Military Readiness (PDF) seems to be broadly done.
The conclusion... the Services are better off now than they were a year ago.
There are, of course, those who refuse to see the truth.
The only thing I can say about that is those people have a poor opinion of Americans, or at least of American Servicemembers, because I’ve served with armies which don’t discriminate (Canadian and British, and Swedish), and they managed it. Why, one wonders, do these people think the US Army will, in the future, suddenly fall apart? Hint, it’s not fact based.
Why? Because people who join the military are pragmatists. We have a mission. We follow orders. This is to our credit, and our detriment. We live with some paradoxical things. First and foremost, we don’t want to die. Secondarily, we don’t want our friends to die. In front of all that, we have”The Mission”, and no matter what/where/when a specific mission is, the potential for one of those two things happening is ever-present. I don’t know anyone, even if they did nothing but peacetime service, in the USA, who did more than one tour who doesn’t know someone who died in training.
This argument, that “It’s all well and good now, but it will come back to bite us in the ass” was said about blacks, and about women. It didn’t happen. Why not?
That’s why. And it’s why Obama was being a chicken to put off making his Executive Order. It’s why Clinton was worse than that in creating DADT (which was better, in one way, and worse in all the rest, than what preceded it; but that’s a whole can of worms which almost never goes well to talk about).
We could have done this 20 years ago. We could have had the benefits of twenty year’s worth of people who wanted to serve, and couldn’t; or who tried and were kicked out (I know three of those, 2 were Russian Linguists, 1 was Arabic), or who decided they couldn’t stay. I know commanders who didn’t care, and went out of their way to avoid anyone being able to make them aware of non-straights in their units. I had one who told us, when I was at DLI, that flat out he was certain he had homosexual troops, there were too many people in the Company (280+) for it to be otherwise, and that he 1: didn’t care, and 2: didn’t want to know. No one was to tell him.
When I was an NCO I never let conversations get past hypotheticals. I didn’t want anyone to tell; because that would put me in a bind. That was the greatest crime of DADT; it put everyone in the position of peril; and for no good reason, as this report makes plain.
Been there, done that.
No shit Sherlock. I could have told you that ten years ago when I was going to Iraq. No one cared. We had bigger fish to fry, and the sense of shared identity that being a soldier, among soldiers, meant that we wouldn’t have cared if the people who had to stay in the closet had been able to come out.
That’s what I expected, and in that quotation is the real reason the bigots have been fighting this one so hard; and why Clinton’s moral cowardice was so egregious. “. “It removed a barrier that was neither necessary nor practical,” he said. “It will help facilitate the slow cultural change towards greater acceptance.”
That’s what they wanted to prevent. That’s what Clinton let them get away with. It’s what has been shown to be wrong.
†LA Times, Mar, 1993
‡My Favorite of these is Professor Morten Ender, Ph.D, US Military Academy. Take that Mr. Card.
No fucking surprise
A study done on the effect the repeal of DADT had on the military found no harm to the ability to perform the mission, no detriments to unit cohesion and puts the lie, one hopes for good, to the stupidity in this statement, “Repeal… would undermine recruiting and retention, impact leadership at all levels, have adverse effects on the willingness of parents who lend their sons and daughters to military service, and eventually break the All-Volunteer Force.”
That was the considered opinion of more than 1,100 flag officers who ought to have known better. I say that because, according to Randy Shilts, in “Conduct Unbecoming” , the hypocritical defense of the exclusion has been going on for ages.
Ten years ago, a two-star general, whose glittering name Shilts does supply as his punch line, made a strong defense of gay exclusion for the court record in a gay-rights case.
But off the record, to a lawyer on the case later interviewed by Shilts, the general "unofficially admitted he expected that the regulations would fall within a few years. He added that would be fine with him, because he knew many fine gay soldiers." That general was Norman Schwarzkopf.†
Sadly Swarzkopf was wrong, and it took more another 20 years... an entire career for the ban to fall. Anyone who was in the service, in the past ten years would have told you the ban was doomed. The Army can’t ignore the broader culture and the ways in which they dealt with homosexuals in service just made it worse. In the Gulf War they ignored people who were gay, delaying discharge until after the war was over.
That undercut the “can’t have them at the front, because their buddies won’t trust them”. I can tell you, when people are shooting at me, who my battle-buddy likes to sleep with is not on my mind.
The study
One Year Out: An Assessment of DADT Repeal’s Impact on Military Readiness (PDF) seems to be broadly done.
We sought to maximize the likelihood of identifying evidence of damage caused by repeal by pursuing ten separate research strategies, each of which was designed to uncover data indicating that repeal has undermined the military. Our research strategies included outreach to 553 generals and admirals who predicted that repeal would undermine the military, to all major activists and expert opponents of DADT repeal and to 18 watchdog organizations, including opponents and advocates of repeal, who are known for their ability to monitor Pentagon operations. In addition, we conducted in-depth interviews with 18 scholars and practitioners and 62 active-duty heterosexual, lesbian, gay and bisexual troops from every service branch, as well as on-site field observations of four military units. We analyzed relevant media articles published during the research period, administered two surveys and conducted secondary source analysis of surveys independently administered by outside organizations. Our vigorous effort to collect data from opponents of DADT repeal, including anti-repeal generals and admirals, activists, academic experts, service members and watchdog organizations, should sustain confidence in the validity and impartiality of our findings.
Our study team includes distinguished scholars from the US Military Academy‡, US Air Force Academy, US Naval Academy and US Marine Corps War College, as well as scholars with internationally recognized expertise on the issue of gays in the military. Several members advised the Pentagon’s 2010 DADT working group, and one member led the team that drafted the Defense Department’s plan for implementing DADT repeal.
The conclusion... the Services are better off now than they were a year ago.
3. Even in those units that included openly LGB service members, and that consequently should have been the most likely to experience a drop in cohesion as a result of repeal, cohesion did not decline after the new policy of open service was put into place. In fact, greater openness and honesty resulting from repeal seem to have promoted increased understanding, respect and acceptance.
6. DADT repeal has not been responsible for any new wave of violence or physical abuse among service members. The policy change appears to have enabled some LGB service members to resolve disputes around harassment and bias in ways that were not possible prior to repeal.
11. The findings of this study are consistent with the extensive literature on foreign militaries, which shows uniformly that readiness did not decline after foreign armed forces allowed LGB troops to serve openly.
There are, of course, those who refuse to see the truth.
12. As positive reports about DADT repeal emerged in the media, repeal opponents who predicted that open service would compromise readiness have adjusted their forecasts by emphasizing the possibility of long-term damage that will only become apparent in the future rather than identifiable consequences in the short-term.
The only thing I can say about that is those people have a poor opinion of Americans, or at least of American Servicemembers, because I’ve served with armies which don’t discriminate (Canadian and British, and Swedish), and they managed it. Why, one wonders, do these people think the US Army will, in the future, suddenly fall apart? Hint, it’s not fact based.
Why? Because people who join the military are pragmatists. We have a mission. We follow orders. This is to our credit, and our detriment. We live with some paradoxical things. First and foremost, we don’t want to die. Secondarily, we don’t want our friends to die. In front of all that, we have”The Mission”, and no matter what/where/when a specific mission is, the potential for one of those two things happening is ever-present. I don’t know anyone, even if they did nothing but peacetime service, in the USA, who did more than one tour who doesn’t know someone who died in training.
This argument, that “It’s all well and good now, but it will come back to bite us in the ass” was said about blacks, and about women. It didn’t happen. Why not?
Even heterosexual service members who oppose DADT repeal acknowledged to us that the new policy has not undermined readiness. According to one currently deployed Army National Guard sergeant who opposes open service, there “was not much of a transition, it’s not like people come in with rainbow flags or anything... the funny thing about the military is, people come in and do a job. That’s all there is to it.” A Navy SEAL who opposes repeal was nonetheless adamant that the military is a professional force, and that even those who do not agree with particular policies will follow them because that is what they are trained to do: “We’re professional; we do what we’ve done in the past, make the work environment professional.”
That’s why. And it’s why Obama was being a chicken to put off making his Executive Order. It’s why Clinton was worse than that in creating DADT (which was better, in one way, and worse in all the rest, than what preceded it; but that’s a whole can of worms which almost never goes well to talk about).
We could have done this 20 years ago. We could have had the benefits of twenty year’s worth of people who wanted to serve, and couldn’t; or who tried and were kicked out (I know three of those, 2 were Russian Linguists, 1 was Arabic), or who decided they couldn’t stay. I know commanders who didn’t care, and went out of their way to avoid anyone being able to make them aware of non-straights in their units. I had one who told us, when I was at DLI, that flat out he was certain he had homosexual troops, there were too many people in the Company (280+) for it to be otherwise, and that he 1: didn’t care, and 2: didn’t want to know. No one was to tell him.
When I was an NCO I never let conversations get past hypotheticals. I didn’t want anyone to tell; because that would put me in a bind. That was the greatest crime of DADT; it put everyone in the position of peril; and for no good reason, as this report makes plain.
Discipline: A Navy pilot told us about two gay service members who broke a shipboard rule before DADT repeal. Commanders were not comfortable bringing charges for that low-level transgression because doing so would have required outing the service members as gay. The infraction of which they were guilty was minor and had a very slight penalty associated with it, but the penalty for their being labeled as gay was separation from the military. Because the commanders did not believe that the lower infraction was significant enough to warrant discharge, they declined to charge the pair with the lesser infraction. “This put the leadership in an awkward position,” explained the pilot, “and the repeal just takes away that extra hurdle and allows commanders to lead better.”
Command: Another Naval officer told us that prior to repeal, commanders could not assist their sailors in the ways they would like because they could be obligated to discharge them if they knew too much. DADT repeal allowed this officer to better understand the sailors under her command so that she could counsel them and address and resolve their issues. She described a sailor who was having personal issues. “He was a very good sailor, but started having problems” including anxiety and sleeplessness. “Over time it became clear that the problem was possibly with a relationship, but because [the leadership] believed the relationship was with another man, they couldn’t talk with him about it.” She said that not being able to deal with the issue directly hindered her
ability to help the sailor under her command. With the change in policy, “everyone, from leadership down, were relieved that at least the sailor could come talk to them, whether or not they supported [homosexuality] themselves... There were too many service members who fit in the [LGB] category, which caused additional stress in already stressful situations. That is totally unacceptable. This was a very important change.”
Been there, done that.
David Levy, an Air Force Academy professor, said that, “I knew this was not going to be an issue… but I was somewhat amazed about just how much of a non-issue it was. There was virtually no talk about it whatsoever.” He said it was “almost eerie” how little attention the change had garnered.
No shit Sherlock. I could have told you that ten years ago when I was going to Iraq. No one cared. We had bigger fish to fry, and the sense of shared identity that being a soldier, among soldiers, meant that we wouldn’t have cared if the people who had to stay in the closet had been able to come out.
A heterosexual Army sergeant said that DADT repeal has allowed straight troops to strengthen their relationships with LGB colleagues, in that it “finally allowed people to have the freedom to be who they are. They still don’t have the same rights available to everyone, but the freedom [is now] there.” He added that post-repeal, “People are more open with their previous experiences” and more likely to introduce LGB peers to same-sex partners. A heterosexual lieutenant commander in Naval meteorology believes the repeal will bring about positive changes in the overall military culture. “It removed a barrier that was neither necessary nor practical,” he said. “It will help facilitate the slow cultural change towards greater acceptance.”
A gay Naval Academy midshipman reported that, after repeal, discussing his sexual orientation was no longer a career-ending offense, and in fact brought out the protective instincts of other midshipmen. The midshipman said that, “Pretty much everybody in my company knows now” about his sexual orientation and “they actually stand up for me” if they hear anti-gay comments.
That’s what I expected, and in that quotation is the real reason the bigots have been fighting this one so hard; and why Clinton’s moral cowardice was so egregious. “. “It removed a barrier that was neither necessary nor practical,” he said. “It will help facilitate the slow cultural change towards greater acceptance.”
That’s what they wanted to prevent. That’s what Clinton let them get away with. It’s what has been shown to be wrong.
†LA Times, Mar, 1993
‡My Favorite of these is Professor Morten Ender, Ph.D, US Military Academy. Take that Mr. Card.