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I'm with him
Sep. 8th, 2010 11:21 amThe entire controversy over Cordoba House is inane. It's not about it being a Mosque (it ain't). It's not about it being at Ground Zero (it ain't).
What it's about is who gets to participate in America.
So, a SAC Vet had this to say about it.
In Arlington we lay to rest our bravest and our very best.
_
In Arlington we lay to rest
our bravest and our very best.
We send our children off to war
defending what we soon ignore.
_
“You’re free to worship,” so we say.
“But if you’re muslim, go away.”
Is this what they were dying for:
Intolerance, and nothing more?
_
Must one be christian to obtain
the liberties that we proclaim?
These soldiers died for liberty.
They didn’t die for bigotry.
_
So look upon this hallowed field,
not only crosses are revealed.
For you’ll see stars and crescents too.
They also sacrificed for you.
_
In Arlington we lay to rest
our bravest and our very best.
They knew what they were dying for.
It’s something that we can’t ignore.
* Joe G
The whole, "Muslims killed people, they ought not be allowed near the site" is crap. It's also not true. It wasn't, "muslims" who hijacked those planes, it was was people.
Tim McVeigh, was a Christian. He was also a registered Republican. He was also a vet.
Does that mean we should bar churches, Republican Party Offices and Army recruiting stations from being too close to the Murrah Memorial?
People will go on that, "they all read the same Koran", or that the guy who is running Cordoba House has said things supporting people who aren't fond of the US. So what? The KKK has said things which are against the US. I don't see anyone saying David Duke ought to be hounded out of his offices.
The density of Manhattan (which, I am sure, is lost on those who've never been there. I was surprised at how far, psychologically, two blocks; which were short blocks, seemed to be), isn't a factor. The simple fact of the matter is this: there is no reason to be against this.
Nor against any thing like it. The bigoted asshats who make up the cult which is the Westboro Baptist Church are far more hateful, pernicious and evil than this, "mosque". I still won't work to structurally muzzle them, though I won't argue against anyone who wants to take part in keeping them out of sight of funerals. They are evil. Not so much for what they believe, but because of what they do.
That's the kicker here. This is a hate-fest based not on what anyone has done, but on what the bigots in the mix want to convince us is the intrinsic nature of an entire class of people.
Which is arrant nonsense. Muslims make up something like 20 percent of the people on the planet. I look at the Christians in the US, and I see a lot of variance in belief. Most of them speak the same language, and share a basic culture. They don't come close to having the same beliefs. Compare Slacktivist or Real Live Preacher to The Christan Coalition, or Franklin Graham.
So the controversy isn't about the feelings of the survivors; it's about the unreasonable fears of people far away, and the hatreds the demagogues like Graham can whip up.
What it's about is who gets to participate in America.
So, a SAC Vet had this to say about it.
In Arlington we lay to rest our bravest and our very best.
_
In Arlington we lay to rest
our bravest and our very best.
We send our children off to war
defending what we soon ignore.
_
“You’re free to worship,” so we say.
“But if you’re muslim, go away.”
Is this what they were dying for:
Intolerance, and nothing more?
_
Must one be christian to obtain
the liberties that we proclaim?
These soldiers died for liberty.
They didn’t die for bigotry.
_
So look upon this hallowed field,
not only crosses are revealed.
For you’ll see stars and crescents too.
They also sacrificed for you.
_
In Arlington we lay to rest
our bravest and our very best.
They knew what they were dying for.
It’s something that we can’t ignore.
* Joe G
The whole, "Muslims killed people, they ought not be allowed near the site" is crap. It's also not true. It wasn't, "muslims" who hijacked those planes, it was was people.
Tim McVeigh, was a Christian. He was also a registered Republican. He was also a vet.
Does that mean we should bar churches, Republican Party Offices and Army recruiting stations from being too close to the Murrah Memorial?
People will go on that, "they all read the same Koran", or that the guy who is running Cordoba House has said things supporting people who aren't fond of the US. So what? The KKK has said things which are against the US. I don't see anyone saying David Duke ought to be hounded out of his offices.
The density of Manhattan (which, I am sure, is lost on those who've never been there. I was surprised at how far, psychologically, two blocks; which were short blocks, seemed to be), isn't a factor. The simple fact of the matter is this: there is no reason to be against this.
Nor against any thing like it. The bigoted asshats who make up the cult which is the Westboro Baptist Church are far more hateful, pernicious and evil than this, "mosque". I still won't work to structurally muzzle them, though I won't argue against anyone who wants to take part in keeping them out of sight of funerals. They are evil. Not so much for what they believe, but because of what they do.
That's the kicker here. This is a hate-fest based not on what anyone has done, but on what the bigots in the mix want to convince us is the intrinsic nature of an entire class of people.
Which is arrant nonsense. Muslims make up something like 20 percent of the people on the planet. I look at the Christians in the US, and I see a lot of variance in belief. Most of them speak the same language, and share a basic culture. They don't come close to having the same beliefs. Compare Slacktivist or Real Live Preacher to The Christan Coalition, or Franklin Graham.
So the controversy isn't about the feelings of the survivors; it's about the unreasonable fears of people far away, and the hatreds the demagogues like Graham can whip up.
