Those mean spirited liberals (again)
Apr. 21st, 2005 10:51 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
pecuniumThis isn't really about liberals, unless it's the "liberal press."
Ann Coulter. I keep mentioning her when people tell me about how bad, mean and small minded, liberals are. I mention her because she ought to be poor. Why ought she suffer from a lack of money? Because the vitriol she poisons the national debate with is horrid.
I, of course, am mentioning her today because I just found out she was on the cover of Time. Ye gods and little fishes. I've been in the house all week, so it escaped me. What I've been seeing on the Web implies Time has been painting her as amusing, reasoned, in some way worthy of being on the cover of a national magazine, without being called to account for what she has said.
So what has she said?
Liberals ought to be killed.
That if one has to talk with a liberal (instead of just killing them), the best medium of communication is a baseball bat.
Tim McVeigh's real crime was not dropping his truck off at the NY Times building.
Being Liberal is treason.
That she wished the American military was killing reporters, by design.
That women are too stupid to vote.
That the real question about Clinton was, "whether to impeach, or assassinate."
Those who support her (and we now know that support is in the mainstream... not that most of us doubted it) have been on the side of Iraqis, the insurgents who killed an aid worker (if you can stomach it, the conversation here at Freep, is what I'm talking about. A sample.... "My bet, of course, is that she was so concerned about the decrease in US casualties that she misread the insurgents' orders of the day and forgat to avoid a place where she knew a blast would take place."). Great company she keeps.
On the flip side we hear how evil the Dems are. They actually think judges ought to be allowed to judge. The right is calling for them to be killed. Not just the kooks and the Militia types anymore, but the mainstream. At the recent confab they called "Confronting the Judicial War on Faith" a speaker quoted Stalin (you know, the guy the left is supposed to be guilty of not hating enough) Edwin Vieira, a lawyer and author of How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary, went even further, suggesting during a panel discussion that Joseph Stalin offered the best method for reining in the Supreme Court. "He had a slogan," Vieira said, "and it worked very well for him whenever he ran into difficulty: 'No man, no problem.'"
The complete Stalin quote is, "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." Max Blumenthal in The Nation.
He said it twice. Just in case one has heard his explanation that he wasn't really trying to inspire another domemstic terrorist like Eric Rudolph, another attendee said something more explicit, Before I could introduce myself, he turned to me and another observer with a crooked smile and exclaimed, "I'm a radical! I'm a real extremist. I don't want to impeach judges. I want to impale them!" This was no inbred twit from the back of beyond, no this was Michael Schwartz the chief of staff for Oklahoma's GOP Senator Tom Coburn, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Michael Moore, the present bogey-man used to paint the left as mean-spirited pales to insignificance compared to that. He calls Republicans liars and thieves. Tom DeLay calls him a political hack.
But he didn't call for anyone to kill Bush, he asked us to look at the record and turn him out of office.
On the subject of the Supreme Court... he said they made a bad decision, and called on us to turn out Bush, so that when new appointments were made, someone else would be making them.
Yep, when you compare him to Coulter, the Left sure looks mean.
Ann Coulter. I keep mentioning her when people tell me about how bad, mean and small minded, liberals are. I mention her because she ought to be poor. Why ought she suffer from a lack of money? Because the vitriol she poisons the national debate with is horrid.
I, of course, am mentioning her today because I just found out she was on the cover of Time. Ye gods and little fishes. I've been in the house all week, so it escaped me. What I've been seeing on the Web implies Time has been painting her as amusing, reasoned, in some way worthy of being on the cover of a national magazine, without being called to account for what she has said.
So what has she said?
Liberals ought to be killed.
That if one has to talk with a liberal (instead of just killing them), the best medium of communication is a baseball bat.
Tim McVeigh's real crime was not dropping his truck off at the NY Times building.
Being Liberal is treason.
That she wished the American military was killing reporters, by design.
That women are too stupid to vote.
That the real question about Clinton was, "whether to impeach, or assassinate."
Those who support her (and we now know that support is in the mainstream... not that most of us doubted it) have been on the side of Iraqis, the insurgents who killed an aid worker (if you can stomach it, the conversation here at Freep, is what I'm talking about. A sample.... "My bet, of course, is that she was so concerned about the decrease in US casualties that she misread the insurgents' orders of the day and forgat to avoid a place where she knew a blast would take place."). Great company she keeps.
On the flip side we hear how evil the Dems are. They actually think judges ought to be allowed to judge. The right is calling for them to be killed. Not just the kooks and the Militia types anymore, but the mainstream. At the recent confab they called "Confronting the Judicial War on Faith" a speaker quoted Stalin (you know, the guy the left is supposed to be guilty of not hating enough) Edwin Vieira, a lawyer and author of How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary, went even further, suggesting during a panel discussion that Joseph Stalin offered the best method for reining in the Supreme Court. "He had a slogan," Vieira said, "and it worked very well for him whenever he ran into difficulty: 'No man, no problem.'"
The complete Stalin quote is, "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." Max Blumenthal in The Nation.
He said it twice. Just in case one has heard his explanation that he wasn't really trying to inspire another domemstic terrorist like Eric Rudolph, another attendee said something more explicit, Before I could introduce myself, he turned to me and another observer with a crooked smile and exclaimed, "I'm a radical! I'm a real extremist. I don't want to impeach judges. I want to impale them!" This was no inbred twit from the back of beyond, no this was Michael Schwartz the chief of staff for Oklahoma's GOP Senator Tom Coburn, who sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Michael Moore, the present bogey-man used to paint the left as mean-spirited pales to insignificance compared to that. He calls Republicans liars and thieves. Tom DeLay calls him a political hack.
But he didn't call for anyone to kill Bush, he asked us to look at the record and turn him out of office.
On the subject of the Supreme Court... he said they made a bad decision, and called on us to turn out Bush, so that when new appointments were made, someone else would be making them.
Yep, when you compare him to Coulter, the Left sure looks mean.
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Date: 2005-04-22 08:36 pm (UTC)Each of your view points are colored by experiences that you have had. Maybe someone who is on the right has never had the experience of being denied a job for the color of thier skin, or had to go home to face thier family after having been "downsized". Maybe someone on the left has never been burdened with having a gun stuck in thier face, or been shot at in a foreign country while trying to provide peace and order to a place which hasn't known it in 20 years.
My point is, you have to understand where the other person is coming from. Maybe it won't change your views, but maybe you might slide a little more to the middle and we might actually accomplish something.
Coulter needs to have my salary and figure out how the hell to pay my heating bill next year, or sell my Jeep cherokee because gas is too expensive.
Moore needs to stand in a rank with a new platoon of Iraqi Army basic training graduates and listen to the pride and dedication and HOPE that these guys have.
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Date: 2005-04-22 08:45 pm (UTC)well said!
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Date: 2005-04-22 09:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-23 08:48 pm (UTC)...he might do that. And then he'd do a documentary on the tragedy that is the Bush administration's fuckup of occupying Iraq that means most of these Iraqi army graduates are shortly going to be dead.
One Iraqi army commander was shot by the US army - same kind of fuckup as happened to Nicola Calipari, and has happened to so many Iraqi civilians and foreign journalists. Others will be killed by Iraqi resistence to the US occupation - a messed-up occupation. I'd like to see that documentary. Moore would do a good one.
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Date: 2005-04-23 10:11 pm (UTC)Most if these Iraqi Army graduates won't be dead. They'll be out, fighting to bring law and order to a place which has none. They're volunteers, not impressed into an army which didn't ask them. In addition, they no longer have to worry that while they're out fighting, their very own government is going to take their families and rape and torture them.
What happened to Sgn. Calipari was unfortunate, and could have been avoided, true. But, I happen to personally know the troops who were there at the checkpoint that night, and they were extremely upset by what happened. The rules of engagement were followed, and the road to BIAP is an extremely dangerous place, not someplace where you ignore even the slightest thing that might endanger your life (in the case of the italians) or you troops lives.
When you're here on the ground, you can comment. Until then, try not to call the occupation "messed up." I try not to comment on matters that I haven experience with. I'm not from Florida, so I refrain from criticizing Jeb Bush. I'm not on the ground in Afghanistan, so I'll refrain from commenting on our ops there, other than what I know based on my military knowledge and experience.
I'm not saying you shouldn't weigh in with your opinion. Just become well acquainted with both sides of the arguement and do some critical analysis. I'm here, far away from my family, and people I know have have been hurt and killed, and I still believe that we are doing a great good here, whatever the political motivations for us being here.
If experience is the key here....
Date: 2005-04-25 10:19 pm (UTC)We were lied to to get us into the war and the Iraqi people are suffering as a result. We don't have enough troops. IF that choppper got downed by bona fide anti-air, there goes our air superiority. I once saw an insurgent try and take out a Spectre over Kut, and they came really close.
The Iraqis were, hands down, some of the nicest, most moderate people I've ever seen. Ann Coulter and the people in this administration are not.
Furthermore, I have more combat experience than anyone in Bush's cabinet. Does that mean my greater experience qualifies me to order Bush to follow my suggestions? Certainly, I can tell him what the real effects of his combat exclusion for women are.
We can't pull out and leave the Iraqis twisting in the wind, but we need a minimum of a hundred thousand more troops. They're decent people; we're decent people, but there are too few of us and we are being led by fools.
Re: If experience is the key here....
Date: 2005-04-26 12:32 am (UTC)I agree with you, 10k more troops might make more sense, but where are we going to get them?
Re: If experience is the key here....
Date: 2005-04-26 12:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-26 12:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-26 01:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-26 01:07 am (UTC)I acquired a whole different opinion of Islam while I was in Iraq, and I hope I convyed that to the Iraqis I met. For Coulter to say that we should forcibly convert them and kill their leaders is pretty much to endorse hate crimes.