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Even if my laptop were not convinced the internet is a myth, I doubt I'd have been all that active... this has been a busy week. It takes far longer than I thought it would to get from SLO to Sacramento... which ate Sunday.

Since then, well the people running this have no idea what translation takes, much less what it takes to translate something as esoteric as military jargon (general concepts can be hard enough, but things like C4I, and JTF 37 are mystical to many in the Army, much less to decipher and convert to Russian).

So we've been handed sets of powerpoint slides, a good three hours of work, for three people, and asked to produce something in 40 minutes. We also have to not offend people with poor translations. Even though the perfect is the enemy of the good, we have to make certain we get to at least good enough.

I spent most of this morning going over a legal document... the support agreement between Ukraine and the U.S. That is something which does need to be perfect. The English copy is going to be the reference document, but if the Ukrainian version is less than clear, a great, and horrid, SNAFU could occur.

So I have mush for brains (not only does legal english have wonderful holdovers of its past (no part of the foreging is to be construed as limiting the right of the VU to self-defense), but it has words like Secure, and maintain, which have very different contextual meanings when referring to the securing of an accident site, and the security of personnel and equipment).

Add that no small amount of diplomatic and political baggage is attached to a couple of aspects of these nine pages, and I am the linguist working on it (which, given my meagre faith in my Russian, at present, is a great boost to my ego, and burden on my shoulders) and I think tonight not a beer night, but whisky.



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Date: 2004-10-06 10:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] geekchick
So we've been handed sets of powerpoint slides, a good three hours of work, for three people, and asked to produce something in 40 minutes. We also have to not offend people with poor translations.
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Add that no small amount of diplomatic and political baggage is attached to a couple of aspects of these nine pages, and I am the linguist working on it (which, given my meagre faith in my Russian, at present, is a great boost to my ego, and burden on my shoulders) and I think tonight not a beer night, but whisky.


I was thinking to myself "At this point, I'd find drinking heavily to be the best of all possible answers", but I see you'd beaten me to the idea. ;)

Don't hate me because I'm stupid...

Date: 2004-10-07 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymeow.livejournal.com
What is a SNAFU?

Date: 2004-10-08 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dekarch.livejournal.com
Whiskey?

Like that's going to help understanding Russian.

Order a case of Vodka and get to work!

Re: Don't hate me because I'm stupid...

Date: 2004-10-08 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
Situation Normal, All Fucked Up. A standard state of affairs in many aspects of military life.

Date: 2004-10-08 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com

Once it hits the gut, it's all the same.

Date: 2004-10-08 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com

The funny thing is, for non-crucial work, a slight buzz does help. I relax, and worry less about being perfect, with the result I am more willing to try to say more complex things... and so things are easier.

A healthy, if somewhat moderate, self-medication took place on Weds. evening (I think this is Friday, the three days of the conference took about a month, in subjective time). My boss bought me a Jameson's, my higher Sergeant Major then paid for a Guinness, and the other SGM wanted to get me tequila, but I insisted on whisky, which ended up being of the Sour-mash variety. Spirits drunk with tonic back.

All of this on a base of carnitas and beans, with flan and Sierra Nevada Pale Ale [with the Carnitas, not the flan].

The barkeep had a liberal pour, and I went to bed happy, awoke without pain and am glad to be under the grey skies of Grover Beach.

TK

Date: 2004-10-08 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] don-fitch.livejournal.com
I hope nothing especially important depends upon this translation. Converting a document written in Legalistic Diplomatic language X into language Y is probably best done by several people over a longish period of time. You seem to think (most likely rightly) that you were beyond your depth in this instance -- and the fault (I think) lies in those who make unrealistic demands.

Date: 2004-10-08 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
No, it wasn't that bad.

Failure to get agreement on the terms = excercise not happening.

The excercise is going to happen... no matter that some aspects of who seems to be signing things (the sticking point is that the Ministry of Defense for Ukraine is signing it, and EUCOM is signing it. They want DoD to sign, and that's not going to happen, because EUCOM is, in effect, a Roman Consul, and so has the plenary power to sign such things. The hard part is that it looks as though the Ukrainians are being handed off to some flunky, instead of being dealt with as equals).

And my job (for which I was the best qualified... I speak pretty good legalese, and COL Harrel trusts me to 1: get it right (in which she is probably correct) and 2: to come for help if it seems unclear (in which she is decidedly correct).

Now the Ukrainians have it, and in Jan, and Feb, the intermediate versions will be haggled over (with a version, translated into Ukrainian legalese) and a common understanding will be reached, and that will be signed.

If I get stuck with those, well I'm looking for a good Russian/English:English Legal Dictionary right now, and a copy of Blacks. Donations gleefully accepted, in cash or kind.

TK

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