Holy crap!
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pecuniumI thought I'd seen pretty much every sort of whack-job trick to get out of a detail one didn't like.
What I didn't realise was that one of the classics, "You can't order me to do that" uttered by foolish privates, might be attempted by, of all things, a Major.
The claim... The Army can't send him to Adghanistan (where, we are assured, he wants to serve) because Obama isn't a "natural born citizen".
Officer refuses to deploy
MACON — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is seeking a federal court order to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.
In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the United States District Court, Middle District of Georgia — Cook's California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that President Barrack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of U.S Armed Forces.
This, however, is the humdinger, from WorldNetDaily
A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida with orders to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has filed a court demand to be classified as a "conscientious objector" because without proof of the commander-in-chief's eligibility for office, the entire army "becomes merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."
I wonder, given that his counsel is Orly Taitz, just how he came to this principled stand (he alleges he that to obey orders from anyone in the chain of command would be to commit a war crime, and lose the protections of the Geneva Conventions. Already we have someone who isn't at the top of his class. One can't lose those protections. Mind you, were this an actually declared war, things might be a little clearer, none of which is relevant to his claim).
Taitz says he contacted her, which I have no reason to doubt (if someone were going to make this sort of asisnine argument, Taitz is the place to go. It seems to be what she does), but the follow on:
Incitement to Dereliction of Duty?
An officer has contacted me a few days ago (I will not provide his name), stating that he is about to be deployed to Afghanistan on July the 15th from Fort Benning. We were supposed to file an injunction, a stay of the deployment of this officer to Afghanistan until the eligibility of of Barack Hussein Obama as Commander in Chief is verified. The documents were supposed to be filed in the middle district of Georgia today. Due to personal reasons this officer cannot be the plaintiff at the moment, however all the pleadings in the case are ready to go. If you know any enlisted or officers, who are ready to be deployed, but want to stay their deployment until Obama’s legitimacy for the posittion of Commander in Chief is verified, please have them contact me. As the case is ready, it can be filed within hours.
[He might have thought to look into the talents of his att'y. I looked at the filing, I am certain I wouldn't do worse, and think I could do better, but this takes the cake
Wikipedia just can’t seem to make up its mind about where President Barack Obama was born.
The free, online encyclopedia this afternoon displayed at least two countries the commander in chief may have been born in – the United States and Kenya. That's right, she's making claims about the veracity of Obama's Birth Certificate based on an edit war]
I wish it was limited to this case, but no... an MP at Cp. Bucca has offered to be listed as a plaintiff as well.
(more WND)
The second soldier wrote, "I am an Army reservist who was activated last August and am currently serving with a military police battalion in Camp Bucca, Iraq. I will be here until at least June 2009."
He continued, "When I enlisted last year I had to show my birth certificate, as well as my driver's license, high school diploma, college transcripts, social security card; I also filled out loads of paperwork to include listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of my family members and had to answer any questions regarding foreign travel.
If that wasn't enough, a 40 year old contractor managed to get himself commissioned, and then decides Obama being president changed things.
Outside the Beltway
The soldier in question, 40-year-old contractor-turned 2LT Scott Easterling asserts that his oath to defend the Constitution require that, “Until Mr. Obama releases a ‘vault copy’ of his original birth certificate for public review, I will consider him neither my Commander in Chief nor my President, but rather, a usurper to the Office – an impostor.”
What do you want to bet, there will never be a copy of the certificate which passes muster?
This isn't the same as 2LT Watada. None of these guys is asserting the war is immoral, unlawful, or in some other way expressing a concientious objection to service. No, this little twerps are saying, "I don't like the president, so I won't serve anymore... not until someone I approve of is elected."
That's dangerous. Major Cook, he's contemptible. Obama was elected in November. Cook could have resigned his commission, refused to serve. I know people who did that. Enlisted soldiers who let their contracts run out, rather than serve under Bush, officers who resigned their commissions). The Major... he waits until he gets orders, and then refuses to go (at the last minute), to make a political point.
If you ask me, it's in the vein of a slow-burning coup. They are trying to turn him out of office. They can't. Obama is at least as eligible as McCain was. I don't know if rises to the level of Mutiny (though Taitz letter, asking for people to join her plaintiff is walking a fine line of incitement).
Add the reports that there are Nazi's serving, pretty openly and the Freepers running around wishing for "Americans to wake up, like the Army did in Honduras", and the future looks a little choppy.
What I didn't realise was that one of the classics, "You can't order me to do that" uttered by foolish privates, might be attempted by, of all things, a Major.
The claim... The Army can't send him to Adghanistan (where, we are assured, he wants to serve) because Obama isn't a "natural born citizen".
Officer refuses to deploy
MACON — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is seeking a federal court order to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.
In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the United States District Court, Middle District of Georgia — Cook's California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that President Barrack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of U.S Armed Forces.
This, however, is the humdinger, from WorldNetDaily
A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida with orders to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has filed a court demand to be classified as a "conscientious objector" because without proof of the commander-in-chief's eligibility for office, the entire army "becomes merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."
I wonder, given that his counsel is Orly Taitz, just how he came to this principled stand (he alleges he that to obey orders from anyone in the chain of command would be to commit a war crime, and lose the protections of the Geneva Conventions. Already we have someone who isn't at the top of his class. One can't lose those protections. Mind you, were this an actually declared war, things might be a little clearer, none of which is relevant to his claim).
Taitz says he contacted her, which I have no reason to doubt (if someone were going to make this sort of asisnine argument, Taitz is the place to go. It seems to be what she does), but the follow on:
Incitement to Dereliction of Duty?
An officer has contacted me a few days ago (I will not provide his name), stating that he is about to be deployed to Afghanistan on July the 15th from Fort Benning. We were supposed to file an injunction, a stay of the deployment of this officer to Afghanistan until the eligibility of of Barack Hussein Obama as Commander in Chief is verified. The documents were supposed to be filed in the middle district of Georgia today. Due to personal reasons this officer cannot be the plaintiff at the moment, however all the pleadings in the case are ready to go. If you know any enlisted or officers, who are ready to be deployed, but want to stay their deployment until Obama’s legitimacy for the posittion of Commander in Chief is verified, please have them contact me. As the case is ready, it can be filed within hours.
[He might have thought to look into the talents of his att'y. I looked at the filing, I am certain I wouldn't do worse, and think I could do better, but this takes the cake
Wikipedia just can’t seem to make up its mind about where President Barack Obama was born.
The free, online encyclopedia this afternoon displayed at least two countries the commander in chief may have been born in – the United States and Kenya. That's right, she's making claims about the veracity of Obama's Birth Certificate based on an edit war]
I wish it was limited to this case, but no... an MP at Cp. Bucca has offered to be listed as a plaintiff as well.
(more WND)
The second soldier wrote, "I am an Army reservist who was activated last August and am currently serving with a military police battalion in Camp Bucca, Iraq. I will be here until at least June 2009."
He continued, "When I enlisted last year I had to show my birth certificate, as well as my driver's license, high school diploma, college transcripts, social security card; I also filled out loads of paperwork to include listing the names, addresses and phone numbers of my family members and had to answer any questions regarding foreign travel.
If that wasn't enough, a 40 year old contractor managed to get himself commissioned, and then decides Obama being president changed things.
Outside the Beltway
The soldier in question, 40-year-old contractor-turned 2LT Scott Easterling asserts that his oath to defend the Constitution require that, “Until Mr. Obama releases a ‘vault copy’ of his original birth certificate for public review, I will consider him neither my Commander in Chief nor my President, but rather, a usurper to the Office – an impostor.”
What do you want to bet, there will never be a copy of the certificate which passes muster?
This isn't the same as 2LT Watada. None of these guys is asserting the war is immoral, unlawful, or in some other way expressing a concientious objection to service. No, this little twerps are saying, "I don't like the president, so I won't serve anymore... not until someone I approve of is elected."
That's dangerous. Major Cook, he's contemptible. Obama was elected in November. Cook could have resigned his commission, refused to serve. I know people who did that. Enlisted soldiers who let their contracts run out, rather than serve under Bush, officers who resigned their commissions). The Major... he waits until he gets orders, and then refuses to go (at the last minute), to make a political point.
If you ask me, it's in the vein of a slow-burning coup. They are trying to turn him out of office. They can't. Obama is at least as eligible as McCain was. I don't know if rises to the level of Mutiny (though Taitz letter, asking for people to join her plaintiff is walking a fine line of incitement).
Add the reports that there are Nazi's serving, pretty openly and the Freepers running around wishing for "Americans to wake up, like the Army did in Honduras", and the future looks a little choppy.
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Date: 2009-07-14 05:36 pm (UTC)And of course, even if the State of Hawai`i delivers such a copy so that the court can take judicial notice that Obama is qualified to be President, this fellow will claim it to be a forgery.
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Date: 2009-07-14 05:50 pm (UTC)-- Steve hates the stated reasoning in the articles... these whackos are dangerous, out of intent and out of sheer stupidity. (Nota bene, using the above reasoning then McCain was also not eligible to be commander-in-chief, as he was born in the Panama Canal zone.)
PS: this disturbs me almost as much as those whackaloon Fundie prosletysers in the Air Force Academy... why worry about a Muslim fundamentalist bomb when you're on the brink of having fifteen-hundred pre-millenial dispensationalist bombs in your own back yard?
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Date: 2009-07-14 05:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-14 06:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-14 06:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-14 07:05 pm (UTC)What the birthers repeatedly overlook is that one cannot get a passport nor be admitted to the bar without a legally valid birth certificate, for two extreme cases.
Julia, there are no limits to human stupidity but some people spend their whole lives exploring the frontiers.
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Date: 2009-07-14 07:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-14 07:09 pm (UTC)Then they say the long-form which has been seen is a forgery.
I have no idea what the, "vault copy" they claim will clear it all up (and show that Joe Biden gets to be president) is.
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Date: 2009-07-14 07:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-14 08:02 pm (UTC)What PNH said
Date: 2009-07-14 08:16 pm (UTC)"Double-reverse, triple-axel moonbat."
All of these guys need to be fired. And any benefits he has taken from the military paid back (education, etc.). This is a disgusting dereliction of duty.
Re: What PNH said
Date: 2009-07-14 08:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-14 08:56 pm (UTC)There is so much wrong with the birthers' line of reasoning that it makes my head hurt. One small detail: Stanley Obama was known to be in Hawaii a month before Barack's birth, and no commercial airline in the world would fly a woman in her last month of pregnancy back then. And why would she want to fly from Hawai'i to Kenya at 8+ months pregnant (how would two broke college students afford it?) in any case?
Totally irrational, the whole pot of rot, and reminiscent of bad "One Step Beyond" screenplay writing.
Julia, even Jan the Horse knows better.
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Date: 2009-07-14 09:11 pm (UTC)Is that a quotation from someone else, or is it yours? If it's yours, would you object to having it appear on a T-shirt or bumper sticker?
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Date: 2009-07-14 09:20 pm (UTC)Julia, unfortunately, aphorists have little market value these days.
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Date: 2009-07-14 11:15 pm (UTC)Daft as a box o' frogs.
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Date: 2009-07-15 12:53 am (UTC)How many contradictory ideas can one hold simultaneously before imploding?
Julia, no memories at all, these people.
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Date: 2009-07-15 01:43 am (UTC)A real attorney using Wikipedia as a reference?! My head spins.
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Date: 2009-07-15 02:00 am (UTC)I told the US Govt to fold up and tuck away the Reserve Commission they offered because I was not serving with W as the CIC. In particular because my father worked for Dick when he was part of the Industrial half of the Military-Industrial complex.
No orders issued, no directly pending deployment. And if there are some days I hate myself for not serving in war with the guys I served with in peace, at least I was honest in protesting with my feet.
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Date: 2009-07-15 02:03 am (UTC)Officers need to vote with their feet, because they can.
No worries from this NCO, about your not being in the Box. You do what you have to do to look in the miror and move the razor up and down, not side to side.
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Date: 2009-07-15 02:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-07-17 12:29 am (UTC)RE the BC:
I actually investigated this a while back because a good friend who is also one nut shy of a bridge mix feels the same way about the BC-- and there is a valid, legitimate pic of it on line. Hawaii only issues one kind, and it's just not as impressive as some other states-- but it's valid and legal and there is no such thing as a vault copy or a long form or an intergallactic protoplasmic verification either.
It's just bullshit -- and i hope the courts rule that this wing nut AND his fluffy bunny attorney have to deal through the military court or not at all.
Then i hope the military sends him overseas-- and forgets his kit bag, weapons, and the parachute when he has to leave the plane.
i need a shower... i can't believe i have to share a country with some of these people.