The case in Illinois, where the defense wanted to force the complaintant to watch, in painful detail, a tape of the assualt being prosecuted, has been resolved.
After the defense went over the tape, painting the girl as willing, basically because she wasn't fighting, the accused was acquitted.
This doesn't preclude (I think) further prosecution, as she was 16 at the time, and Ill. has 17 as the age of consent (unless the person is in a position where they are custodially supervised, in which case they are not able to give consent to any person who is more than 17, and in a supervisory position).
What is sad, and perhaps scary about this isn't just that the tape seems to make it clear the woman wasn't capable of giving consent, but that Illinois is thought to have one of the best rape laws in the nation, because it specifically states that a single statement of consent is not open ended.
Given that that anyone who (2) commits an act of sexual penetration and the accused knew that the victim was unable to understand the nature of the act or was unable to give knowing consent; is guilty of rape in Illinois, and she passed out, at which point she was past being able to consent; the verdict almost baffles me.
I say almost because the defense used the tape to portray her as a woman of loose morals, in essense to say she, by virtue of having been flirtatious, of having been seen to kiss someone, to stroke his head, forwent the option of not having sex; even if she was insensible, and that attitude (that she asked for it, that she, "led them on", that she ought to have, "expected it," and you name it) is still widespread.
There's still one of the accused who is at large; he's fled the country, to avoid prosecution (this is presumptive of a guilty mind). I don't know if the facts of his case are such that he can't really claim she was consenting before the tape started to roll (there is no explicit consent given on tape, the victim says she doesn't recall anything from at least a few minutes before the taping began... this was the basis of the defense wanting to grill the woman as the tape was played... she might recall having consented... even though the latter aspects of the statute imply that consent fades when someone becomes unable to give informed consent. That's a difficult thing, but I think only in the context of an established relationship. Sex with someone who's really drunk might not be my cup of tea, but I think it possible for standing consent to exist when the players know each other well. For kids at a party... not so much).
This is horrid. It goes with the Italian court saying it's not such a big deal to have sex with your underaged niece because she wasn't a virgin, so she is less deserving of protection.
It goes with this seegment from "The News Hour" where one of the legislators in S Dakota is explaining his opinions on abortion.
Newshour: Napoli says most abortions are performed for what he calls "convenience." He insists that exceptions can be made for rape or incest under the provision that protects the mother's life. I asked him for a scenario in which an exception may be invoked.
[State Senator]BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life.
Now, you ask me, his exception is inconsistent. If he thinks abortion is murder, it doesn't matter what the reason, only mortal peril for the mother matters (to take it to the logical extreme, a reductio ad absurdam such a case only merits abortion if 1: the death will occur before the fetus is viable 2: the mother is certain to die, and 3: (though this one is debatable) only if the mother won't be able to get pregnant again.
I'm not even going to go into the religious aspect of Napoli's argument... though it ties in with what he said later, about the community forcing unwed mothers to marry the fathers.
So there you have it, unless she was " brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it," she isn't entitled to an abortion.
Why? Because she had sex. Looking at court cases like this one (and the mistrial in Orange County, and the other case, I forget where, where a developmenally disabled girl in a wheelchair was asaulted, and the males acquitted) it also looks as though barring a rape as over the top as he says (where does the sodomizing come into play? It isn't as if any of the acts the law calls sodomy lead to children... that's part of why some people say they ought to be illegal, it's why others says doing them doesn't count as losing one's virginity), it wasn't really rape.
After the defense went over the tape, painting the girl as willing, basically because she wasn't fighting, the accused was acquitted.
This doesn't preclude (I think) further prosecution, as she was 16 at the time, and Ill. has 17 as the age of consent (unless the person is in a position where they are custodially supervised, in which case they are not able to give consent to any person who is more than 17, and in a supervisory position).
What is sad, and perhaps scary about this isn't just that the tape seems to make it clear the woman wasn't capable of giving consent, but that Illinois is thought to have one of the best rape laws in the nation, because it specifically states that a single statement of consent is not open ended.
(c) A person who initially consents to sexual
penetration or sexual conduct is not deemed to have consented
to any sexual penetration or sexual conduct that occurs after
he or she withdraws consent during the course of that sexual
penetration or sexual conduct.
Given that that anyone who (2) commits an act of sexual penetration and the accused knew that the victim was unable to understand the nature of the act or was unable to give knowing consent; is guilty of rape in Illinois, and she passed out, at which point she was past being able to consent; the verdict almost baffles me.
I say almost because the defense used the tape to portray her as a woman of loose morals, in essense to say she, by virtue of having been flirtatious, of having been seen to kiss someone, to stroke his head, forwent the option of not having sex; even if she was insensible, and that attitude (that she asked for it, that she, "led them on", that she ought to have, "expected it," and you name it) is still widespread.
There's still one of the accused who is at large; he's fled the country, to avoid prosecution (this is presumptive of a guilty mind). I don't know if the facts of his case are such that he can't really claim she was consenting before the tape started to roll (there is no explicit consent given on tape, the victim says she doesn't recall anything from at least a few minutes before the taping began... this was the basis of the defense wanting to grill the woman as the tape was played... she might recall having consented... even though the latter aspects of the statute imply that consent fades when someone becomes unable to give informed consent. That's a difficult thing, but I think only in the context of an established relationship. Sex with someone who's really drunk might not be my cup of tea, but I think it possible for standing consent to exist when the players know each other well. For kids at a party... not so much).
This is horrid. It goes with the Italian court saying it's not such a big deal to have sex with your underaged niece because she wasn't a virgin, so she is less deserving of protection.
It goes with this seegment from "The News Hour" where one of the legislators in S Dakota is explaining his opinions on abortion.
Newshour: Napoli says most abortions are performed for what he calls "convenience." He insists that exceptions can be made for rape or incest under the provision that protects the mother's life. I asked him for a scenario in which an exception may be invoked.
[State Senator]BILL NAPOLI: A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life.
Now, you ask me, his exception is inconsistent. If he thinks abortion is murder, it doesn't matter what the reason, only mortal peril for the mother matters (to take it to the logical extreme, a reductio ad absurdam such a case only merits abortion if 1: the death will occur before the fetus is viable 2: the mother is certain to die, and 3: (though this one is debatable) only if the mother won't be able to get pregnant again.
I'm not even going to go into the religious aspect of Napoli's argument... though it ties in with what he said later, about the community forcing unwed mothers to marry the fathers.
So there you have it, unless she was " brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it," she isn't entitled to an abortion.
Why? Because she had sex. Looking at court cases like this one (and the mistrial in Orange County, and the other case, I forget where, where a developmenally disabled girl in a wheelchair was asaulted, and the males acquitted) it also looks as though barring a rape as over the top as he says (where does the sodomizing come into play? It isn't as if any of the acts the law calls sodomy lead to children... that's part of why some people say they ought to be illegal, it's why others says doing them doesn't count as losing one's virginity), it wasn't really rape.