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Like I said, they made this thing solid, covered all the bases and put it to bed.

* The state failed to demonstrate that there was a specific and compelling government interest in prohibiting marriage between people of the same gender.

* The state's claim that gay people are fundamentally different because gay couples cannot procreate doesn't hold water; the fundamental fact is that both homosexuals and heterosexuals seeking marriage are in committed relationships, and thus are in similar circumstances- yet treated differently.

* The state's claim that the gay marriage ban does not discriminate against sexual preference or gender is, dressed up in legal terms, bullshit.

* Laws addressing factors that have been the subject of past unjust discrimination must meet a higher constitutional standard- strict scrutiny rather than the presumption of constitutionality. Homosexuality falls under this category because:
(1) homosexuals have been deliberately and methodically discriminated against;
(2) homosexuality does not affect their ability to participate in society;
(3) sexual orientation is not a choice, but a fundamental part of an individual's personality; and
(4) homosexuals are a minority with inadequate political power to defend their own rights in the political process.
At minimum, these factors require that the gay marriage ban be judged under an intermediate level of scrutiny- in other words, the government has to show an important government objective is being met by the ban.

* The state's claim that upholding tradition is an important government objective is bullshit; tradition is only legally important when it's being upheld for some other purpose, not for its own merit.

* The state's claim that the gay marriage ban provides the optimum environment for children in families is bullshit; the law doesn't ban child molesters, violent felons, or single parents from raising kids, nor does it bar unmarried gay people from doing so. Furthermore, the state didn't even bother to demonstrate that a gay marriage ban is actually good for children of heterosexual couples- whereas the plaintiffs brought studies showing that same-sex couples were about as good as mixed-sex couples for raising children.

* The state's claim that banning gay marriage promotes procreation is bullshit; the state failed to demonstrate that prohibiting homosexuals from marrying does anything to encourage procreation. (Personal note: there's nothing said about whether or not promoting procreation is a valid government interest in the first place.)

* The state's claim that banning gay marriage strengthens straight marriage is bullshit; there's no evidence for the proposition.

* The state's claim that denying the legal benefits of marriage to homosexuals conserves state resources is bullshit; similar savings could be made by discriminating against blacks, Catholics, etc. in the same fashion.

* Religious arguments on gay marriage have no place in the courts whatever, especially since there are religious arguments on both sides.

* Homosexuals are people too. As such, the law can't treat them differently from everyone else.

For those who want to read the whole thing, it's right here as a .pdf.

Date: 2009-04-08 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auriaephiala.livejournal.com
promoting procreation is a valid government interest in the first place

Some governments, such as in Quebec or France, have said that it is a valid government interest, but their approach is to offer money for extra children, and to improve daycare -- presumably because those actions might actually work. To say that discriminating against gays would encourage people to have children is ... ridiculous. Absurd.

Thanks for the summary. The ruling does seem quite thorough. One hopes it will be cited as a precedent.

Date: 2009-04-08 02:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
I also liked the footnote pointing out that, if there was evidence that prohibiting same-sex marriages deterred gay people from procreating, there would be due process issues.

Date: 2009-04-08 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] songblaze.livejournal.com
First off, what a huge landmark decision. I think it's not only rightly decided, but decided for the right reasons (which is a whole other kettle of fish).

I'm sure I'm particularly sensitive to this, but this: "(2) homosexuality does not affect their ability to participate in society" - is making me twitch a bit, as it has this undertone of ableism that makes me uneasy.

Date: 2009-04-08 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
I hear you, but one of the specific arguments has been that homosexuals are intrinsicly different, and the court rejected that.

Being gay doesn't affect (all other things being equal) one's ability to participate in society. This changes some of the scritiny issues. If it were a disability, then the court would have to factor that into the question.

At least that's the way it reads to me.

Date: 2009-04-08 02:31 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] iclysdale.livejournal.com
There's also a great video of Iowa senate majority leader Mike Gronstal explaining why he will not co-sponsor a bill to over-ride the court decision. T

Date: 2009-04-08 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harimad.livejournal.com
There's another way in which anti-gay marriage violates equal protection. Imagine a woman. Two people want to marry her, a man and a womn. The law treats the two prospective spouses differently solely because of sex. This has to pass intermediate scrutiny; as you point out, the Vermont Court decreed that sex discrimination in marriage does not meet the compelling government interest test.

It's been a good week for equality.

FTR

Date: 2009-04-08 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com
I think you copied this over from what I posted in ML, but I'd like to point out that I got it from [livejournal.com profile] redneckgaijin, and he deserves to be credited for it if it's being reposted on LJ.

Date: 2009-04-08 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com
That footnote struck me (and J, a lawyer) as the court saying, "And don't you even try this argument, because we will slap you down so fast."

Sometimes, the Only Way To Win

Date: 2009-04-08 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shelleybear.livejournal.com
It to discredit every stupid argument your opponent has.
This was done.
Perfectly.

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