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pecunium ([personal profile] pecunium) wrote2007-07-10 10:27 pm

How we are seen/described

Ryan, the guy whose been providing amusement to people; feels harried.

So harried that he talks about it. (h/t [profile] killslowly)

Me, I made the grade, I think we should all feel flattered as some people who come here because of our Critics, Christian, Ian…. We’ll your the big two and not forgetting one man in the Army, who I actually forget his name, due to the fact he doesn’t use a real one.

Which is funny, because he used it, as though we were friends or something.

I also liked the attempt to tar me as a moral failure, "While the last, simply does his job and plays soldier in Iraq."

I did a lot of things in Iraq, none of them was, "playing" soldier.

I do have to say, Ryan was one of the more amusing things to happen here. None of the vituperation which comes of discussing the right-wing wurlitzer; no risk of injuring the comity of the place from heated words.

He has such a relligious fervor. He has the recieved wisdom, and those who see flaws in the plan, or the logic, or the financing; who wonder at the risks vs. the benefits; who see some problems in the messages that are sent, if one looks at the whole, are blind fools who are against his ends; instead of having doubts about the means.

Never mind that we link to his sites, let people look at that whole, weigh his plans, means and ends against what they know.

Anyone who questions the value of kidnapping girls, and taking them to an island off the southern tip of Chile, is interested in seeing them raped; doesn't want to see an end to the sex trade.

Never mind that none of that has been said. What matters is that instead of keeping our thought to ourselves, we are going into those flaws. That's what bothers him, because to question "The Dream" or plan, or whatever it is, is to be against him.

Which is wrong. If it could work, I wouldn't care. But it can't, and there are people spending time, money and effort to try and make it happen.

But it's OK, because the lurkers support him in e-mail.


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[identity profile] patgreene.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 06:45 am (UTC)(link)
"Playing soldier in Iraq"? Saying that about any service member who has served Iraq is profoundly disrespectful, indeed offensive, be that you or anyone else. Whatever I may think of that ill-gotten mess, the men and women over there are not "playing."

Otherwise... this man sounds so delusional. I have been hoping, as you had mentioned earlier, that this was just some sort of scam. Clearly not.

Come to think of it, I see a strong resemblance between the way Ryan reacts to people questioning his plan, to how our Fearless Leader and his cohorts reacted to people questioning the plans for Iraq.

[identity profile] antonia-tiger.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
And he doesn't see anything wrong with an "island off the southern tip of Chile".

Clue, Mr. Ryan, it isn't called Tierra del Fuego because it's warm and pleasant.

[identity profile] desert-vixen.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)

I have a few words for him, but I think the most important has to be delusional.

DV

[identity profile] niamh-sage.livejournal.com 2007-07-11 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Good lord. I've been reading along in your blog but only just saw the actual site. Has it ever occurred to him that it might be better to do his humanitarian work in situ, rather than dragging victims of the sex trade halfway across the world, away from whatever family they have, into a culture that's completely foreign to them? Apart from that, whatever girls they do rescue will immediately be replaced by others (sadly). If he wants to make a lasting impact on the sex trade he'd do a lot better by tackling the problem where it really exists - at the level of those who think it's ok to use these kids for sex, and the officials who turn a blind eye.


[identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com 2007-07-12 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
He wants to end the sex trade entire. A noble, it augean task.

I was thinking more King Canutesque.

The danger here is that he'll get obsessed with your attention to him, hate you, and start some sort of stupid vendetta.

[identity profile] don-fitch.livejournal.com 2007-07-12 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Antonia Tiger has an important point. The man's grasp of reality seems so fragile that he doesn't understand what "an island off the southern coast of Chile" means. This is not the half of the world where "south" = "more tropical".

[identity profile] don-fitch.livejournal.com 2007-07-14 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
I've recently glanced at Ryan's sites, and noticed an interesting point. He mentions his age -- 26. I have to admit that between the ages of about 16 and 26 I sometimes dreamed of living on an island -- some place rather like Tahiti, perhaps, or Morea -- but I wasn't nearly Imaginative enough to envision owning all of it, or getting other people to pay for it. Young people today seem to be much more Ambitious than they used to be back in my era.

But then, it would be another ten years before I discovered Science-Fiction Fandom and heard the name of Claude Degler.